Hadees-e-noor Ka Postmartom

Discussion in 'Islam' started by ALLAH'S SLAVE, Oct 21, 2007.

  1. mnaurin

    mnaurin New Member

    Mr.Allah Slave
    tum nay kuch zayada hee badi chalang nai laga dee direct hee ALLAH SLAVE ban gaey ho
    hum to NABI PAK (S.A.W) kay ghulamoon kay slave be na ban sakay.
     
  2. a1atif

    a1atif New Member

    Afsoos ke baat hai

    Jiss Qol(Saying) ko Nabi say Nisbat ho uss ka Postmartom ker rahay ho, sharam say doob marro, musalman ho yaan "Munafik"

    Nabi Ke Baat kissi Kafir say bhi sunn ker Maan jana Hazrat Abu Bakar Sadiq(RA) ke Sunnat hai. Aur Dekh ker aur jaan ker bhi Inkaar kerna "Abu Jehal" kee.

    Ab Apna Faisla Khud he Ker Lo Kahan Say ho tum?
     
  3. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

    mere bhai Quran to kehta hai k jo tumhaare paas khaber aaye uss ki tehqeeq ker lo aur aap keh rahe hain k bas aankhen band ker k qabool ker lo, SubhaanAllah

    Nabi s.a.w. ne khud fermaia hai jis ka mafhoom yeh hai k her sunni sunai baat ko age bian ker dene wala jhoota hai aur aap kehte hain k bian kero.

    Ager baat issi tarah hoti jis tarah aap keh rahe hain to Hadees ka Ilm hi wajood main na aata. Aema Ikraam ne her baat ko jo Nabi s.a.w. ki taraf mansoob ki gai qabool nahin kia bal'k uss ki tehqeeq ki gai k bian kis ne ki hai woh sacha hai k jhoota phir qabool kerne ya radd kerne ka faisla kia gaya.

    Aap se guzarish hai k jazbaati baten kerne ki bajae tehqeeq karen aur deen ko seekhne ki koshish karen.

    Wasalam
     
  4. friendfor3ver

    friendfor3ver Super Moderator

    bohat achi sharing hai janab aap ki thanx :)
     
  5. a1atif

    a1atif New Member


    Janab Arz Yeh Hai k Musalmaan Ager Apnay Imaan Aur Nabi k baaray mein Jazbaati na ho tu woh kiasa musalmaan?

    Aur Sawal yeh paida hota hai k Yeh Hadees ka ilm Aur Ahadees per tehqeeq Bid'at nahi hai?
    Hadees per tehqeeq Nabi pak aur Ashaab say Saabit hai?

    Takleef mujhe iss baat kee hoi k "Hadees" aur "Postmartom" k Ilfaaz ikhathay use kiyay gaye.
     
  6. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    Yaar App Is Ko Hadith Kehtay Hoo Jabkay Yeh Hadith Duniya Ke Kisi Kitab Main Nahin. Agar Hay To La Doo Main Bhee Isay Hadith Kahoon Gha.
     
  7. mashal143

    mashal143 New Member

    Chahay ye hadith ho ya na ho apki nazr mein lekin hadith k lafz ko 'postmortem' k sath use karna disrespectful lagta hai bajaye funny lagne k...!!!
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2008
  8. a1atif

    a1atif New Member

    Musalmanoon k Ahadith ka Postmartom kernay Aur Apnay Nabi(PBUH) aur Auliya ke "Tehkeek" kernay say he NON Muslims ko Islam k Khalaf Gustahi Kernay ka Mauqa Mil Raha hai.

    Verna Unn kee inti Kya Jurrat thi.
     
  9. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    G mashal app ke yeh baat bilkul sahih hay kay aour yeh post shoro karnay walay ko is baat ka shahyad ehsas nahin howa.
    a1atif sahib app kay nazdeek wali ka kiya rutba hay kiya kisi wali ko na manna jaa too kowe kafir ho jata hay. aour zara plz kuch walioon ka naam bhee lai dain aour wali ke tareef bhee kar dain , kay wali kaoun hota hay.shukria
     
  10. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Asslamolaikum 2 all muslims,

    Mohadisseen hadees k saath mozoo ka lafaz bhi likhte hai aur saaf kehte hain k yeh jhooti hadees hai to kia aap ke khayal main woh sab gustaakh the. Jab kissi hadees ko jhoot kaha jaat hai to iss se murad yeh hoti hai k iss ki sanad jhoot hai issi tarah jin saahib ne yeh post start ki thi unn ka bhi matlab yehi ho ga k iss hadees ki sanad ka postmartem.

    Rahi hadees ki tehqeeq ki baat to Jab main Quran se bian ker chukka hoon k khaber ki tehqeeq kero to zahir hai hadees ki tehqeeq iss aayet se hi sabit hai. Nabi s.a.w. ne bhi gawahian talab ki hain aur issi tarah mohadissen ne bhi rawian-e-hadees per gawahian di hain.
    Aap se guzarish hai k Ilm-e-Hadees ko seekhen, aap ko pta chal jae ga k muhadissen ne iss silsile main kitni mehnet ki hai ta'k koi jhooti baat Nabi s.a.w. se mansoob na ho jae. Allah samajhne ki tofeeq de, Aameen.
     
  11. a1atif

    a1atif New Member

    Mein nay Jo Sawal Kiya tha Uss ka Jawab Nahi Mila.
    Jaisay K Aap Keh Rahay Hain k Quran Ke Jo Ayat aap nay Byan kee Aap Mujhe uss Ayet-e-pak ka Refrence tu Btayen zara Ta k uss ka Context bhi Dekha Jaye.

    Ager Aap Ke Baat maan lee jaye tu Iss K Baray mein Kya khyal hai? Nabi Pak(SAW) jab Miraaj per gaye tu Abu Jahall, Hazrat Abu Bakar Sadiq (RA) k pass aya Aur Tunz k Andaz mein Miraj k khabar dainay laga tu Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA) nay iss Baat kee Ussi Waqt Tasdeeq kee.

    Tehqeeq nahi Kee. kiyun?
    Aur Please iss Baat kee Bhi Wazahat ker dain k Ap kiss Baat per Nabi Pak(SAW) kee gawahian Talab kernay kee baat ker rahay hain? i mean make it clear.

    asim10 i m not an Imam, if u have any Question go to an Imam and ask.
     
  12. a1atif

    a1atif New Member

    Aur Gustahi Alfaaz say Ho jaati hai Chahay Niyat Burri na ho, Bohat Zyada Khyal rekhna Chahiyay tha iss topic ka naam choose kernay k liay.

    Topic Started koi Muhaddes yaan Mufti hain kya?
     
  13. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    asa
    rushed bahi atif bahi kee baat sahih hay app plz bura na mannaain.agar salve bahi bhee is hadith kay sath zaeef ya mozo ka lafz lagatay too acha tha.jazakalalh
     
  14. mashal143

    mashal143 New Member

    muhadeseen ne bhi ager mozoo ka lafz lagaya to wo ek sanjeeda lafz hai jab k postmortem ek mazaahia lafz hai aur aise lafz ko hadith k sarh jorna munasib nahi, ager ek halqa is hadith ko nahi maanta to musalmano ka ek halqa is per yaqeen bhi rakhta hai, to khayal rakhna chahiye k aisa lafz istamaal na kia jaye jis se hadith ka mazaq uraya jaye, ager intentions sahi bhi hon to ghalat matlab nikal aata hai...!!! :)
     
  15. le0

    le0 New Member

    jazak Allah Rushed bhai ...
     
  16. HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (SAW) NOOR THY YA BASHAR.....????
    Noor-e-Mustafa (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Ahadees ki Roshni main:
    Hadees Shareef:
    Tarjuma: “Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ne Irshad farmaya, Tamaam Makhlooqat se Pehley ALLAH TA’ALA ne Meray Noor ko Peda farmaya”..
    (Tafseer-e-Rooh-ul-Bayaan, Jild#2, Page#191)
    (Madarij-un-Nabuwwah, Jild#2, Page#2)
    (Ma’arij-un-Nabuwwah, Jild#5, Page#135)
    Hadees Shareef:
    Tarjuma: “Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ne farmaya k Main ALLAH TA’ALA k Noor se hun, aur Saari Makhlooq meray Noor se hai”..
    (Madarij-un-Nabuwwah, Musannif Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddis Dehelvi (Aleh Rehmah))
    Hadees Shareef: “Hazrat Jabir (Razi ALLAH Anhu) se marwi hai k Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ne Irshaad farmaya, Ae Jabir..! (Razi ALLAH Anhu) Beshak ALLAH TA’ALA ne sab Ashiya (cheezon) se pehley Teray Nabi (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ka Noor apney Noor (k Faiz) se Peda farmaya”..
    (Muwahib-ul-Ludanniyah, Zarqani Shareef, Jild#1, Page#42)
    Hadees Shareef:
    Tarjuma: “Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (Razi ALLAH Anhu) Bayaan kartey hain, Ek Raat main apni Khala Syeddah Memoonah (Razi ALLAH Anhu) k Ghar Theher gaya, (Imam Muslim Farmaatey hain) is k Baad pura Qissa hai
    Taaham is main Chehray aur Baazoo dhoney ka Zikar nahin hai, Balkey yeh Mazkoor hai k AAP (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Mashkeezay k pass Tashreef laaey, us ka Mounh khola aur Darmiyaani Darjey ka Wuzu kiya, phir AAP (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Bistar per Aakar So Gaey, phir Dobarah Bedar huwey, Mashkeezay k pass aae, aur Mukammal Wuzu kiya (Muslim farmaatey hain is Riwaayat main Dua k Alfaaz main) “Mujhey Noor bana dey” k Bajaey “Meray Noor main Izaafah kar dey” k Alfaaz hain..
    (Muslim Shareef, jild#1, Kitab us Salaat wal Musaafireen o Qasarha, Raqam ul Hadees#1693, Page#596, Matboo’a Shabbeer Brothers, Lahore)
    Result: Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ka Dua farmaana k Meray Mola (Azzawajal) Meray Noor main izaafah kar dey , is baat ki taraf Isharah hai k Meray AAQA (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Noor they hi, isi liye to apney Noor main Izaafah ki Dua ki..
    Aqeedah: Sab se pehley Martabah e Nabuwwat Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ko mila, Roz-e-Mesaq tamaam Ambiya (Aleh Salam) se Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) per Eemaan laaney aur Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ki Nusrat karney ka Ehed liya gaya, aur isi Shart per yeh Mansab e Aazam in ko diya gaya..
    Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Nabi ul Ambiya hai, aur Tamaam Ambiya Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) k Ummati, sab ne apney apney Ehed e Kareem main Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ki nayabat main kaam kiya, ALLAH Azzawajal ne Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ko apni Zaat ka Mazhar banaya, aur Huzoor (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) k Noor se tamaam Aalam ko Munawwar farmaya..
    (Bahar-e-Shari’at, Hissa Awwal)
    Mandarja Bala tamaam Ahadees e Mubarikah se yeh baat saabit huwi k Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) Noor Ala Noor hain, Balkey AAP (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) k Noor hi se Kainat main Noor hai..
    Bashriyat ka Falsafa:
    Al-Quran: Tarjuma: “Tum Farmao Zaahir Soorat Bashri main to main tum jesa hun”..
    (Surah Kahaf, Aayat#110, Parah#15)
    Is Aayat-e-Kareemah main Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) se ALLAH TA’ALA ney Bashar Kehelwaya, yahaan lafz-e-Bashar kehna AAP (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) ki Inkasaari hai, jesay koi Haakim e Waqt apni Ri’aaya se kahey k main to Aap ka Khadim hun,
    Khadim kehna Haakim-e-Waqt ki Aajizi o Inkasaari hai, kehney se who Khaadim hargiz na hoga, Sarkar-e-Aazam (Sallalaho Alehe Wassallam) se ALLAH TA’ALA ne Bashar Kehelwaya, khud Rab-e-Kareem ne Bashar na kaha.. -
     
  17. Baber30

    Baber30 New Member

    Essai kehtay ha Nauzubillah Hazrat Essa Allah ke betay ha Nauzubillah aur afsos aik kalma pernay wala musalman kehta ha Hazrat Mohammad SAW Allah ke noor se paida hue itna bara shirk esai ne hazrat Essa ko beta banaya tum logo na Nabi ko Allah ka darja de deya ke Nabi Allah ke noor se paida hue tum log bhol gai Hazrat Mohammad SAW ke waldain ko Hazrat B.B Amna R.A aur Hazrat Abdullah R.A ko
    Hazrat Mohammad SAW ghaib ka ilam jantay khay un ke lieye 2 sawal
    1 Baqool tumharay Nabi gheb Ka ilam jantay thay tu Allah RabulIzzat Hazrat Jibreel A.S ke hath wahi q behjtay ? is ka matlab tum ye sabit kerna charahay hu Nauzubillah tum ye sabit kerna cha rahe hu ke Allah nauzubillah bhol gai thay ?

    2 Jab aik mushrik aurat ne jab Hazrat Mohammad SAW ko zeher diya tu hazrat Mohammad SAW ne wo khana q khaya khoodkussy tu haram ha?Jab Hazrat Aisha R.A per Ghalat tahmat lagi tu Hazrat Mohammad SAW ne Shaba karam se q poucha baqool tumharay wo gheb ka ilam jantay thay ?

    apney aqeeday ko sahi kero sahi jawab dhondo ma aap logo ko link share kero ga wo dekhna Hazrat Mohammad SAW sirf gheb ke wo baat jantay jo Allah Rabulizzat wahi kertay ha ye sahi jawab ha
    Ye link open karain 100 percent sure aap sab log ye jaan jai ga ke ke Hazrat Mohammad SAW aik Bashir ha Nauzubillah Noor min Noorilah nahi


    Rewayat ha ha jab Hazrat Mohammad SAW musrik ke qoom ke taraf kalmah Tauheed ke dawat denay gai tu waha ke musrikon ne Hazrat Mohammad SAW se kaha tum tu hamaray jesay insaan hu jo hum khatay wahi tum khatay jo hum petay wohi tum petay jesay hum bazaron ma ghomtay wesay tum ghomtay hum tum per imaan q lai aur tumhay apna nabi kesay maan lay?Hamray abauajdad yehe sab kerkay gai ha boton ke poja aur tum un se manna ker rahay hu tu Hazrat Mohammad SAW ne un ko jawab deiya Hazrat Mohammad SAW ne us mosriq qoom ko kaha ke Ha ma tumharay jesa Insaan hu tum ma aur mujh ma farak sirf yehe ha ke mujhe Allah ke wahi atey ha
    Quran ma likha ha agar is dunya ma farstay zindagi basar ker rahay hotay tu hum farshton ma se he nabi behjtay
    Hazrat Mohammad SAW ko bashir q banaya is ka jawab

    Hazrat Mohammad SAW ke ummat ko aik aisa Insaan chaye jis ke peechay chal ker wo apney amal kersakay Misaal ke toor per Namaz kesey parhay Roza kesay rakha jai haj kesay kerhay rizq halal kamany ka tareeqa Shadi Nikah kesay kertay ha aur kitney aurat se Nikah jaiz ha ye sab tareeqa aur is ke ilawa bhot kuch yaha tak ke toilet ma janay ke dua sab kuch Hazrat Mohammad SAW ne apney ummat ko sekha ker gai ha is ke leye Hazrat Mohammad SAW aik bashir ha aur Rootbay ke lihaz se duniya ke no 1 Hazrat Adam A.S se lekar aj tak jitnay bhi insaan ai aur gai sab se afzal Hazrat Mohammad SAW ha quran ma likha ha Allah RabulIzzat Fermatay ha Hazrat Mohammad SAW ko tammam dunya ke leye Rehmatulaalmeen bana ker behja tamman Ambiya se Afzal tamam aAmbiyan ke Sardaar MashaAllah Jab bhi Hazrat Mohammad SAW ka name aye tu please meharbani ker ke Darood Shareef perliya karain Badlay Ma Allah apney 10 rehmat ka nazool ata Fermatay ha sab Tareef Allah ke leye ha
    Quran ma saaf likha ha Allah Fermatay ha ka her Nabi ko Hamnay un Qabeelo se behja un ke nafz se behja
    google ma search kerlo Nafz ka matlab kiya ha bashir ya Allah ka noor Nauzubillah


    is video ko aik baar zaroor dekhlo Tumharay zahen clear hu jai ga open think link please



    Aik bhai ne ye comments likha ha ke sab kuch Allah ha Nauzubillah ye dunya duniya ma her chese afsoos ke sath kehna per raha ha kalma perna ke baad aisa Aqeeda
    ussay poucho baqool tumharay sab kuch Nauzubillah sab Allah ha tu Suwwar ko pakhanay ko sharab ko zinah kernay wali aurat ko kiya kaho ga mere aap logo se requst jo bhi baat karain souch leya karain aur quran aur sunnat ke mutabiq karain

    mere aik baat yaad rakhay Quran ko aik mertabah urdu tarjumay se parhay us ma shirk ke kiya saza ha pata chalay ga
    Quran ma likha ha Allah Rabulizzat Fermatay ha Agar ma chahu tu saray Gunnah maaf ker sakta hu lekin agar shirk ke halat ma koi mara us ko ma kabhi bhi maaf nahi karonga
    Jazakallah
     
  18. badal0079

    badal0079 WDC Student

    App log sada Musalmanoon ko dokha danay ki koshah na karo. Tum log ho kon. Tumhara mazhab kia hay. Na hi Tum Allah k Quran ko mantay ho, Na hi Nabi ki Hadees ko or na hi ulama ky aqwal ko.
    Allah ka Quran main Irshad hay. tarjama. tahqeeq aya tumharay pas noor or roshan kitab. tafaseer e Jalalain jo k her maktab e fiker k madaris main parrhai jati hay is main oy k noor yani Muhammad.
    Hazrat Jabir Wali Hadees jis ko kisi mohadis nay mozo ya zaif naheen kaha. jis ko tum mohadis mantay ho (Nasir albani) wo to sab say barra kazzab tha. is nay to Bukhari sharif say jatni bhi maray Aaqa ki shan main Hadees theen wo nekal ker Sahe Hadees Bukhari k nam say publish kerwi. Nauzubillah k Imam Bukhari nay jo Bukhari lakhi wo Sahe nahin thi app k in Hazrat nay is ko sahee kia. asay dokha ba per lanat hazar bar.
    is k elawa Bukhari sharif main noor k motaalq hadees pak mojod hay jis main Hazrat Muhammad nay Khud noor ki dua ki.
    Mohadseen or ulama e karam k aqwal say katain bhari hoi hay jin main Hazrat Muhammad ko noor mana gia hay.
    ay kash k itar jay taray dil main mary bat.
     
  19. badal0079

    badal0079 WDC Student

    Ak shakhs nay apny post main kaha k Hazrat Adam sab say afzal hay. to ya app nay kain para hay. islam or aqeda main apni aqal ki nahain chalti. balkay Allah or Rasool k Hokam ki parvi kerni zarori hay.
    Hazrat Muhammad ki tamam Imbia per fazelat say Quran or Hadees ki kitabian bhari hoi hain.
     
  20. mere pyare bhaion meri baat suniye ghaur se agar kisi me himmat hai to jawab dein....agar allah ke rasool gaib jante the to quran to kehta hai...wa lillaahi hi gaib us samaawaati wal arz...agar jante the to kyun apne sahaba ko beher e mauna ko bheja maloom tha ki wo shaheed hone wale hain....kyun hazrat e ayesha par tuhmat lagi to pareshaan hue...aur sab se aehm agar gaib jante the to wahi ki zaroorat hi kyun padhi....

    is ke bawajood koi kahe k rasool allah(s.a.w.m) ko ilm e gaib tha to woh wahi e rasool ka munkir hai...

    .kya jibrail e ameen ki aulad hai?....nahi hai...kya farishton ki aulad hai..... nahi hai....kyun...? is liye ke ye farishte noor se bane hote hain....noori maqlooq ki aulad nahi hoti.......aur is noori maqlooq ko aadam ko sajde karne ka hukm diya gaya hai kyun ke aadam (a.s) allah ki behtreen maqlooq hai aur aulaade aadam me sab se behtreen anbiya hote hain aur anbiyoun me sab se behtreen aur sardaar mere rasool hain..(S.a.w.) jo aulade aadam se hain......aur quraan to kehta hai...subhaanalazi asraa bi abdiheee....(kyun yahan nahi kaha gaya subhaanalazi asraa bi noori hee) agar abd hai to noor nahi hai aur agar noor hai to abd nahi hai....aur rasool allah(S.a.w.m) ko noor kehna unki ahmiyat ko ghatana hai aur unko aulad e adam (a.s) ki sardaari se mehroom kar dena hai...

    is ke bawajood koi kehta hai ke allah ke rasool noor hain....... to wo aaal e mohammad(s.a.w.m) ka munkir hai....kyun ke rasool allah (s.a.w.m) ke bete ibrahim,qasim,abdullah(r.a) the aur aapki betiyan bhi thi.....

    rasool allah (s.a.w.m) agr muqtiyar e kul hain to badr ke waqt aap ne dua kyun ki...kyun apne chacha abu talib ko islam ki daulat se mehroom rakha....kyun hazrat e hamza(r.a) ko shaheed dekha...kyun taif ke maidan me pathar khaye...agar muqtiyar e kul hote to in sab cheezon ko apni marzi ke mutabiq nahi kar dete...?

    is ke bawajood agar koi kehta hai ke rasool allah (s.a.w.m) muqtiyar e kul hain to wo shifaat ka munkir hai jo mere rasool(s.a.w.m) qayamat me karenge....agar unhe iqtiyar hota to shifaat ki zaroorat hi kya hoti?

    agar rasool allah(s.a.w.m) hazir wo nazir hain to kyun kaha k mujh par darood bhejo ke farishte tumhara darood mujh tak pohanchate hain....?kyun jab kuffar e makka ne masjid e aqsa ke muttaliq poocha to allah (s.w.t) ne us ka naqsha zahir kar diya...? hazir wo naazir hote to khud bol dete...aur hijrat ki zaroorat kyun padhti...?

    is ke bawajood koi kehta hai ke wo haazir wo naazir the to wo meraaj e nabi ka munkir hai....k agar rasool allah(s.a.w.m) har jagah hazir wo naazir hote to meraaj ki zaroorat kya padhti.....
     

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