Hazrat EESA aleh-salam ki wafaat

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  1. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    Hazrat eesa aleh-salam quraan ki roo se fot hochuke hay. or yaha wafat-e-masih ke Qurani dalail diye gai hay. aap sabit karay ke ye dalail ghalat hay. ? ya sabit karay ke hazrat eesa aleh-salam asman par zinda hay! sirf QURAN ki roo se.
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  2. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    Fiker na kerna dost may sub jawabat likoonga aur haa Questions may b karoonga.. jawab aup nay dainay hay..Baazauq bhai say guzarish hay k fel haal iss ko lock ya merge na karain..
     
  3. syedejaz_KSA

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  4. Baazauq

    Baazauq New Member

    merged

    brother islam_zindabad
    is mozou par ek thread me kafi se zyada behas ho chuki hai:
    thread link yeh hai:

    QURAN aur Hazrat Eessa Alah Islam

    Agar aap ne wohi sab baatein duhraayein jo mazkoora bala thread me ki ja chuki hain to aap ka yeh thread usi CLOSED-thread me MERGED kar dia jayega!
     
  5. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    teeek kaha Baazauq bhai..... ager wohee cheeze yaha per aaa ee tho aup b woheee karain..
     
  6. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    Brother !

    Mai pehle keh chuka hoon, ke mai Qadiani nahien hoon. tu phir Q aap Mirza sahib ke hawale se baat kar rahe hay ? Mirza per kon eesai eeman laya ko nahien laya, ye behes nahien horahi. bhai ! mai aap se keh chuka hoon, ke baat TO THE POINT honi chahiie.

    Hazrat Muhammad sallallaho alehewassalam ki meraj ki baat nahien horahi.

    na ye baat horahi hai, ke Allah eesa aleh-salam ko asman par utha sakta hai, ya nahien.

    Discussion sirf or sirf hazrat eesa aleh-salam ki Quraan se wafaat sabit karne ya Quraan se hazrat eesa aleh-salam ki hayaat sabit karne par hai. or bas.
     
  7. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    >> Online Book of Sahih Bukhari <<

    Volume 2, Book 23, Number 414:

    Narrated 'Urwa:

    Aisha said, "The Prophet in his fatal illness said, 'Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians because they took the graves of their Prophets as places for praying."' Aisha added, "Had it not been for that the grave of the Prophet (p.b.u.h)

    would have been made prominent but I am afraid it might be taken (as a) place for praying.



    Volume 2, Book 23, Number 472:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    Allah's Apostle in his fatal illness said, "Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians, for they built the places of worship at the graves of their prophets." And if that had not been the case, then the Prophet's grave would have been made prominent before the people. So (the Prophet ) was afraid, or the people were afraid that his grave might be taken as a place for worship.


    Kia inn Ahadees se sabit nahien hota , ke Hazrat Muhammad sallallaho alehewassalam, Hazrat eesa aleh-salam ko wafaat shuda tasleem karte thay ?
     
  8. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    Ager aup Qadyaani nahien hay tho yay achi baath hay laikin aup ki batho say patha chaltha hay k hay.. aup ki website jiss ka link aup nay diya hay waha per b Qadyaaano ki bathain hay aur aup nay jo Wafat-e-Masih k baaray may thread post kee thi wo b Alislam.org say lee hay. aup article waha say q laitha hay...
    baqi rahee bath Miraaj ki tho yay EXAMPLE hay aur yay dalil hay k Allah ki zaat mahdood nahien hay aup nay tho Allah ki zaat k baaray may keh rahay hay k iss thera wo mehdood ho jaateee hay issy leeyay may nay yay sabooot dia k iss thera mehdood nahien ho sakteee
     
  9. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    Mai alislam.org visit karta rehta hoon, oss mai jo baatian meri nazer mai theek hay, unko mai copy past karta hoon. iss ka ye matlab nahein ke mai Qadiani hoon. meri website mai Qadiani website ke link hay, jo mai nai copy kiye hai. kunke wo sahih hay. iss ka ye matlab nahien ke mai khud bhe Qadiani hoon.

    Hikmat ki baat momin ka gumshuda sarmaya hai, wo jaha bhe usey paye lele. (Hadees)
     
  10. messenger

    messenger New Member

    Syedejaz Sahib app sub co jhoor dain sirf yeah bataa dain kay kayya Quran key yeah aayt wrong haa jo islam zindabad nain likhi haa kay Mhuhamad saw say pahlay sub nabi wafaat paa chukaay hain. Iss main coi shaak key gunjaish haa ?
     
  11. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    dear messenger.. konsee ayaat... kia wo yaha per hay .. ya kissy aur thread may...:confused:
     
  12. messenger

    messenger New Member

    Post#1

    Ji main eesee thread main post#1 jo Islam Zindabad nain likhi haa baat ker raha hun. Iss main clearly likha haa kay Muhamad say pahlay sub rasool wafaat paa chukay hain.
     
  13. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    I neeeed Answer now and now

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  14. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    yaha per wo post nahien kul rahee hay imageshack say uploaded hay aur wo saudi Arabia may block hay.... plz dobara post kerdain attach ker k
     
  15. messenger

    messenger New Member

    Reply

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  16. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    thx so much dear messenger.... iss per tabsira may karoonga laikin apni tharaf say nahien bulkul maufassireeen ki roshni may...
    thx again
     
  17. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    Bhai !

    kia aik naam ke do ashkas nahien hosakte? or kia mumkin nahien ke unn dono ki maa (mother) ka naam bhe aik ho.? it is possible ! :)

    Like In hadis Hazur sallallaho alehe wasalam nai bayan farmaya, ke unho nai aik hi naam ke do (2) ashkhas ko dekha, jin ke juda huliye thay. or naam aik jesa. yani Masih ibn-e-maryam.

    >> Reference from Online Sahih Muslim <<

    Book 001, Number 0317:

    Abu al-'Aliya reported: Ibn Abbas, the son of your Prophet's uncle, told us that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had observed: On the night of my night journey I passed by Moses b. 'Imran (peace be upon him), a man light brown in complexion, tall. well-built as if he was one of the men of the Shanu'a, and saw Jesus son of Mary as a medium-statured man with white and red complexion and crisp hair, and I was shown Malik the guardian of Fire, and Dajjal amongst the signs which were shown to me by Allah. He (the narrator) observed: Then do not doubt his (i. e. of the Holy Prophet) meeting with him (Moses). Qatada elucidated it thus: Verily the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), met Moses (peace be upon him).

    Book 001, Number 0327:

    'Abdullah reported on the authority of his father 'Umar b. Khattab that he heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) say: I was sleeping when I saw myself making circuit around the Ka'bah, and I saw there a man of fair complexion with straight hair between two men. Water was flowing from his head or water was falling from his head. I said: Who is he? They answered: He is the son of Mary. Then I moved forward and cast a glance and there was a bulky man of red complexion with thick locks of hair on his head, blind of one eye as it his eye was a swollen grape. I asked: Who is he? They said: He is Dajjal. He had close resemblance with Ibn Qatan amongst men.


    jahan tak iss baat ka ta'luq hai, ke eesa aleh-salam ke liye "NAZOOL" ke alfaz aye hay. tu NAZOOL se ye sabit nahien ke Aasman se jisam samait utray ge. because NAZOOL ka lafz khud hazur sallallaho alehe wassalam ke liye bhe istamal huwe hay. (Sura: Talaaq 10-11) jabke hazur sallallaho alehewassalam zameen par peda huwe. or Asman se nahien aye.

    Hum nai loha Nazil kia. (al-hadeed:25) loha zameen se nikalta hai.

    Hum nau libas Nazil kia. (al-araf: 26) libas zameen par banta hai.

    Allah nai charpaye Nazil kiye. ( al-zamar: 6) jabke charpaye zameen par peda hote hay. ghorde, gadde, bail, ghai sab zameen par peda hote hay.

    iss liye NAZIL hone se murad Aasman se utarna nahien hosakta.

    doosri baat, aap nai jis hadis ka tarjuma likha hai. oss hadis ki Arabic mai Asman ka lafz mojood nahien. aap nai jo hadis pesh ki oss mai likha hai,

    Masih aasman se utrey ge. (jabke aasman ka lafz hadis mai nahien) sirf nazil hone ka ziker hai.
     
  18. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    mai nai jo hadis pesh ki oss mai likha hai,

    hazur sallallaho alehe wasalam nai faramaya

    " Lanat ho jews or christians par jinhon nai apne nabiyon ki Graves (kabaro) ko sajda gah bana dala "

    Christians ke nabi kon thay? Hazrat eesa aleh-salam.

    Ager hazrat eesa aleh-salam aasman par zinda hay, tu uun ki Grave (kaber) kaha se ban gai !! very logical thing. !

    jabke aik naam yani masih-ibn-e-maryam, ke do (2) ashkas ka hona namumkin nahien hai.
     
  19. syedejaz_KSA

    syedejaz_KSA New Member

    Acha bhai...aup Sahih Muslim ki iss hadith k baaray may kia kehthay hay jo ooper hay.. jiss may abu huraira (r.a) nay Quran ki ayaat say istidlaal lia hay.aup ka kia khiyal hay.. Chalo yay maan laithay hay k wo Asmaan say nahien utriangay muger ayaingay tho zaroooor.. Aur yay bath k aik naam k do askhaas hay yay b kahien warid nahien hay..
     
  20. islam zindabad

    islam zindabad New Member

    Ahle kitaab mai se koi nahien jo oss ki mot se pehle oss par eeman na le aye. (nisa:158)

    ye ayat uss waqt ke ehle kitab walo ke liye hai. mumkin hai ke jab hazrat eesa aleh-salam saleeb se bach gaye. tu ahle kitaab mai se log un par eeman laye hon.

    Ager koi kahe ke iss se murad aakhri zamana ke ehle kitab hay. tu ye baat ghalat sabit iss tarha hoti hai ke, ke ahle kitab yahoodi logo mai se beshumar aysey hay, jo na apni mot se pehle hazrat eesa aleh-salam par eeman laye. or na masih aleh-salam ki mot se pehle (ager masih iss waqt zinda hon!). tu unn ehle kitaab ko kaha rakha jaye ga. jo baghair eeman laye mar gaye.

    baher haal iss ayat ke parhdne se ye sabit nahien hota ke hazrat eesa aleh-salam zinda hay.

    Do mukhtalif jismani khadokhal wale ashkhas, aik shakhs nahien hosakta. lekin do mukhtalif jismani khadokhal wale ashkas ke aik jese naam hosakte hay.
     
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