Jawab Talab hai (about Jang-e- Jamal)

Discussion in 'Islam' started by sajjad shah, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member

    Asalam o alikum
    Jayse k Hum sab jantay hain k yeh jang Hazrat Ali Aur Hazrat Ayesha k dermayan hoi.aur Iss Jang mai 80,000 log Qatal hoay.


    Note:- Hazrat Ali Humary Nabi Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) k daamad thay
    aur HAzrat Ayesha Humarya Nabi Muhammad (PBUH) ki Biwi thi.



    Sawal yeh hai k in dino main se kon haq pe yehni theek tha aur kon haq pe nahi tha?

    aur ju 80,000 log qatal hoayy un sab ka qatal kis k Zemay thay?

    Please iss question ka jawab dein aur sath Daleel b dein.

    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2010
  2. Maadi

    Maadi New Member

    Pehli baat to yeh hai ke aap se roz-e-Qiyamat yeh nahin poochha jaye ga keh unn donon mein se kon haq pe tha aur kaun nahin aur doosri baat yaj ke woh tamaam hamare liye MUHTRAM hain aur hamara itna muqaam nahin hai keh inn mein se kisi ke baara mein koi baat karen. Inn baaton mein waqt zaya karne ka koi faaida nahin hai aur ham sab ko bus apney amal ki fikar karni chahiye.
     
  3. nomanqadri

    nomanqadri New Member

    Agree with Maadi
    bohat acha jawab dia hai
     
  4. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member

    mai app ki bat se agree hun . but islam humian haqeeqat jannay se rukta nahi

    muje se yeh question ak buhat hi Alam insan ne kiye hai. aur muje se is ka answer manga hai.

    mai yahan koi shugal lagnay nahi aaya ..
     
  5. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member

    aur acha khiyal hai ap ka ? k haqqeeat maloom krna ak time zayda krna hia?
     
  6. syed khaja ahmed

    syed khaja ahmed New Member

    aslam alekum
    ap ke swal ka jawab mandi sab ne dey deya hai pls is trah kay swal na karey.
    thanks
     
  7. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    assalam alaikum
    app nay kahan kay app say aik alam nay swal kiya .
    masalaa yeh hay kay woh alim kouan tha aour is mozo per behs kiuon chiri
    aour agar app jawab nahin day sak rahay too phir app is qisam ke batoon main patay hee kiuon hain.
    rahee baat jangaiy jamal kee too yeh aik tareekhee mamala hay . aour app ko bata doon kay tareekh nay kabhi bhee bhee sach nahin bola.
    app say sawal yeh kay kiya app mukhtasir taour per is jang kay baray main kuch bata saktay hain
    agar app nay kowee jawab diya too main agay baat karoon gha.inshallah
     
  8. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    aik baat ke wazahat kar doon kay yeh jang sirf aik ghalt fehmi ka nateeja thee.aour tamam mamlat tay honay kay baad raat kay andhairay main donno taraf kay shar pasaand anasir nay apas ke saaz baaz say yeh jang shoro kee warna amman aisha aour sydna ali rz kay dermaiyan yeh jang howee hee nahin.yeh monafeeqeen kay dermiyan jang thee.amman aisha rz ko sydna ali rz nay too baray izaat aour ehtiram say ghar behj diya tha.app khud sochain kiya sydna ali rz jaisay sahabi rasool saw apni maan say jang kar saktay hain .nahin her giz nahin . yeh jitnay jhotay fasanay hain yeh too munafiqeen nay chair rakhay hain . warna haqeeqat say is ka kowee taluk nahin . aour agar app shia kay kisi propaganday say mutasir hain too phir bhee main app ka zehan buhat achee taraha say clear kar sakta hoon . inshallah wa jazakallah khairan
     
  9. AHB

    AHB New Member

    nicee shairng
     
  10. saqi_mirza

    saqi_mirza New Member

    Asslama Alaikum

    Bohat Nazuk Topic Hai . Bohat Hi Soch Samaj ker Bolna Paray Ga.

    Meray Tamam Sahaba Sitaroun ki Manid Hain . Jis Nain Jis ki Pervi ki Woh Falah ( Succses) Pa Gia ((( Hadees Rasool Salal o Alahaiy Wassalam )))

    Humaray Liyay Hazrat Ameer Mavia RA Ankoun ki Thandak
    Hazrat Ali RA Sher Khuda Muskil Kusha RA Ankoun ka Noor
    Ammi Ayesha RA Ankoun ki Roshni Hain

    Yeh Jang Hazrat Usman RA Zoul Noorain ki Shadaat kay Baad Laree Gaee.
    Aus Waqt Hazrat Ali RA ko Khalifa Baniya Gia .

    Hazrat Ayesha Nain Ais Jang Main Shirkat Nahain ki Thee ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYLdr5s2V24

    Thanks
     
  11. i love sahabah

    i love sahabah New Member

    salam to all muslims.

    ary bahi asal main es sawal ka maqsad hi logun ko gumrah kena aor uljhana hay.

    Ummal momineen hazrat ayesha(rs) aor hazrat ali murtaza(rs) ki jang hoi es mien ghalat koun tha ya ye jitny bhi log es main qatal hoye un ka gunnah kis k zima tha es sawal ka maqsad koi nien hay?

    jis aalim ne swal kiya hay aap ne os se poucha k wo aalim sahib kis ko sahi kehty hain aor kis ko ghalat?


    quran majeed main hazrat musa(as) aor hazrat haroon(as) ka waqiya hay k jab hazrat musa(as) apni qoum ko firyoun se nijaad dila k aye aor koh-e-tooor pe jany lagy to aap ne hazrat haroon(as) ko kaha k qoum ka khiyal rakhna.
    lakin saamri ne qoum ko BACHRY ki ibadat pe laga diya halan k hazrat harooon(as) ne bahut samjhiya lakin qoum ne un ki baatt nien maani.


    hazrat musa(as) ne wapas aa k qoum ki halat dekhi to unhun ne hazrat haroon(as) ko DARRHI se pakar liya aor bahut sakhti se kaaha k mien ne tumhain kaha tha qoum ka khiyaal rakhna to qoum ne BACHRY ki ibadat kyun start ki?

    ye saara waqiya quran majeed main sourah bani israyeel main aya hay to aap batyen k en dono peghambers se koun sahi tha aor koun ghalat?


    ye aap ko samjhany k liye sirf aik sawal hay halank sab ko pata hay k ambiya masoom hoty hain aor en donun jaleel al qadar peghambers main se koi bhi ghalat nien sirf ghalat fehmi ki wajah se ye sab waqiya pesh aya.


    ab kiya ksi muslim main himmat hay k ksi nabi ko ghalat kahy?

    esi tarah jab NABI KAREEM(SAW) k sahabah ka ikhtilaaf ho to ksi ko hum ghalat nien keh sakty aor na hi un pe itraaz ker sakty hain.

    jab hazrat ayesha(rs) aor hazrat ali (RS) ne ksi ko qasoor waar nien tehraya to aaj hum koun hoty hain en jaleel-al-qadar hastiyun pe ungli uthany waly?

    jiysa aik bahi ne pehly kaaha hay k hum se ye sawal nien ho ga esi liye aap chup rahin.


    aor os aalim se pouchin k dono ambia se koun ghalat hay?
    kiya os k pass es ka jawab hay?

    agar wo ksi ko ghalat keh dy to wo muslim hi nien rahy ga.

    umeed kerta hun k aaap samajh gye hun ge.

    agar koi ghalati ho gyi ho to ALLAH SE maafi chahta hun.

    shukriya
     
  12. Hazir_jawab

    Hazir_jawab New Member

    Pehli baat tu ye hai kay Tareekhi Waqeay ko sahi taur thoos tehqiq kay ba'ad biyan kia jana chaey.....is mai badi Ihtiat ki zarorat hai or kisi qism ka hatmi faisla (final verdict) say guraiz kerna chaey ...bulkay Kehna chaey "Wallah ho Aalam"...

    Kio kay QURAN or Sahi Ahadith mai tu aankh bandh ker kay qabool kerna iman ka hissa hai .....

    Aik baat or kay hamaray yaha khaas ker kay Shaksiato ko Target zaror kia jata hai aik groh guzaray hoay shaksiat ko la'an ta'an kerta hai tu doosra groh inkay jawab mai Shakisiat mai Ghulo say kaam leta hai jaisa ka upper aik kam-ilm bhai saab nay kia....
    Duno hi gumrah hai .....Yani Shaksiat ki tazlil kernay wala woh bhi sahaba waghiara jaisi shaksiat ki or aik Shaksiat prasti wala groh..isko dayhaan mai rakhay ....

    Ab aatay hai sawal ki janib ......jin ALAM saab sawal kia hai pehlay ye janna chaey kay unho nay sawal kia hai ya Etiraaz ...duno mai farq hai ager sawal hai tu jawab bhi hai or ager Etiraz hai tu kinarakahsi behter hai ..kio kay bhetkay hoay loogo ki suhbet jahunnum ki traf lejanay wala rasta hai.is say bachay.....Baher-kaif...

    Tareekhi waqiay ko mord tord ker paish kernay walay ....pehlay tareekh ka bheter taur mutalia karay ....


    Jang-e-Jamal shrou honay say pehlay Aamma Ayesha(Rz.Anh) HAJJ ko gaee hoee thi waha unko Hazrat Usman (Rz.Anh) ki shahadat ki khber mili ...uskay saath ye bhi khaber mili kay Hazrat Ali (Rz.Anh) kay haath bayt hogaee hai or Halat ki majbori kay paish-e-nazer Hazrat Ali (Rz.Anh) BULWAYIOO(fasadi groh jis nay Hazrat Usman(Rz.Anh) ko shaheed kia) ..."filhal" Bilwayio kay khilaf Operation kernay ki position mai na thay ....halankay aisa nahi kay woh operation kerna nahi chahtay thay Ma'zAllah Sahaba Kibar kay baray mai budgumani iman kay lia zaher or maut hai....khair phir Hazrat Amir Mawiya(Rz.Anh) ka Hazrat Ali(Rz.Anh) ko Hazrat Usman(Rz.Anh) kay Qatilo ka qissas ka mutaliba zoor pakerta giya ..fasadio nay is muqay ko ghanimat jana or duno azim Sahaba kay dermiyan jang ki aag ko khoob berh kaya....
    or nuwbat jang tak pahunch hi gaee....
    Khair...
    Amma Ayehsa(Rz.Anh) chukay Ummal Momineen hai unkay is Ahum Status ko daikhtay hoay Sahaba ki jamat nay unko mushwara dia kay ager aap HAJJ say seedha Maidan-e-Jang mai jay or jang roknay ko kahay tu ain mumkin hai kay aap ki shaksiat kay Ahtiraam mai Jang na hoo.....
    Amma Ayehsa(Rz.Anh) cukhay is ummat ki maa hai unhay kioker berdasht hota kay Ummat Fasad or Jang hoo is lia unho nay Waha janay ki Hami bher lee or Maidan-e-Jang gaee ....
    Mager Fasadio chukay poray halaat per control kiay hoay thay or bhi haqiqat hai kay fasadi duno campus mai majhood thay yani Hazrat Ali(Rz.Anh) kay bhi or Hazrat Amir Mawiya kay bhi or duno campus kay fasadi aik hi groh kay thay is lia unko khatra hoa kay Amma Ayesha(Rz.Anh) unkay fasad mai rukawat daal sakti hai tu unho nay ulti chaal chali ....Amma Aysha(Rz.Anh) jaisay hi maidan-e-Jang pahunchi pehlay say Tayyar Fasadio nay shoor machana shrou kerdia kay Ma'zAllah Amma Ayehsa(Rz.Anh) , Hazrat Ali(Rz.Anh) say jang kernay aaee hai OR Amma Ayesha(Rz.Anh) ko bolnay ka muqa hi nahi diya.....

    Tafsil Ajmal iski ye hai yani Hazrat Ayehsa(Rz.Anh) ko Jang mai Fariq ki hasiat dena JAHILO ki sooch hai woh JANG rukwanay gaee thi maidan-e-jang mai mager Ulta hogiya ab khud hi batay ..peace process kernay waloo ko Fariq-e-Jang kehna duniya ka kis qanoon mai hai?
    ye Ghalta baat or ghalat Alfaaz hai jo Kam-ilmi mai kahay jatay hai...jo loog tareekh hi nahi jantay unkay sawal bhi aisay hi Jahilana hotay hai.....


    Reh gaee HAQ per koon tha tu is per Ulema-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat o Jamat ki do ray hai ......
    1- Chukay Ahadith mai paishgoee kay hisab say Hazrat Ali (Rz.Anh)kay "Haq" ki taid mai jati hai kay woh haq kay "Qreeb" hai (Wazih rahay "Qareeb" kaha hai pora HAQ nahi)....kio kay aisa kehna say Lazmi doosri jamat (woh bhi Sahaba , Amir Muawiya(Rz.Anh) or Amma Ayesha(Rz.Anh) ki jamat) BATIL qarar pay gi jo bay-intiha Merdoodana sooch hai ...


    2- Ulema ka doosra groh ....(jiski truf mera bhi jhokaoo hai)....kay is mamlay mai khamoshi Ikhtiyar kerna behter hai ....Yani kisi kay baray mai ye kehna koon HAQ per hai koon nahi ...KHAMOOSHI behter hai....


    OR iskay Manay ye nahi or na hi Hadith mai hay kay HAZRAT ALI(Rz.Anh) say "ghalat-fehmi' say Jang kerna wala groh BATIL hai ...ye baat Ahum hai .....Hazrat Amir Muawiya (Rz.Anh) , Amma Ayehsa(Rz.Anh) or deegar sahaba say Buhgz rakhnay wala Duniya mai bhi Zalil or Aakhrat mai tu uska Ibratnaak Anjaam hai

    Sahiba Allah kay rasool S.A.W ki jamat hai .....unkay dermiya Ijtihadi Ghalati ka sadoor tu shaid mumki hai ,baqool Ulema, mager unka BATIL ka saath denay jaisi sooch mahal balkay haram hai....
    is lia nahi unhay JANG-E-BADAR, AHUD or deegar khaternaak Jang ki thi kay woh b'ad mai BATIL ka saath day....
    Jo jamat aisa kehti hai ya sooch rakhit hai woh automatically
    KUFFAR kay saathi or madagar hai jo Bhtkay hoay Jahanami loog hai

    or hum nadan bhi aaj un fasadio kay naqsh-e-qadam per chaltay hoay Amma Ayesha (Rz.Anh) or Hazrat Ali (Rz.Anh) kay demiyan Ghalat fehmi ko "JANG" jaisay Alfaz say istaimaal kertay hai ...sakht gunah or nadani ki baat hai...mazAllah , Khak-e-badhun kia nabi Pak S.A.W ki izwaj ko Nabi Pak S.A.W ki rafaqat mai itna bhi ilm nahi tha kay fitna fasad say Allah or uska Rasool na khush hotay hai or kia SAHABA Kibar (Rz.Anh) nabi pak ki suhbat mai rehtay hoay ye sab kaisay bhool gay kay fitna fasad sakht mana hai ....
    Sakht Jahilana sooch hai jo hum sooch rahay hai ....Upper Alam ka kia sawal hai is per tu shaid barooz qiyamat sawal na hoo mager Bughz-e-Nabi , Bughz-e-Sahaba or Bughz-e-Ahl-e-Byt pr sakht grift hogi ...kio kay QURAN mai Allah nay kehdiay hai kay Allah unsay Razi phir kaisay in Shaksiyat per hum badgumani karai...



    Wallah Ho Alam
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2010
  13. hafizahmedraza

    hafizahmedraza Online Writing & Marketing Student

    yar aisay sawalon may na uljha karo
     
  14. Irfan Muslim

    Irfan Muslim New Member

    Aap kay tamam sawalaat kay jawaab haazir hain...!!

    in my next post..
     
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  15. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member

    Sab se pehli bat mai ne yahan pe question pocha hai . mai ne kisi b ilzam yeh ksii k sath dushmani nahi ki.

    aur jin Alam insan ne yeh question kiye hai . uno ne just muje se question pocha hai koi eteriaz nahi kiye
    app ne question kiye k Un dono ambia mai se kon galat tha aur kon theek..

    For your kind information brother. Hazrat Ayesha is not Nabbie. or Peghambar.

    Understand?

    thanks
     
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  16. Irfan Muslim

    Irfan Muslim New Member

    Aap kay tamam sawalaat kay jawaab haazir hain...!!

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    plz dont reply, abhe jaari hai...!!


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  17. Irfan Muslim

    Irfan Muslim New Member

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    plz dont reply, abhe jaari hai...!!


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  18. Irfan Muslim

    Irfan Muslim New Member


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    ye tamaam pages book "NIJAAT KA RAASTA" say liye gaey hain...!!
    agar aap ko mukammal book darkaar ho tou may uss ka link bhe share karr doon ga...!!


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  19. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member


    brother app ka buhat buhat shukriya app ne kaffie achay tareeqay se detail mai question ka jawab diye.

    ju batian muje nahi patah thi app ne bata di

    aur ju Alam sahib ne yeh question kiye hai. unoo ne koi eteriaaz nahi kiye.

    only question kiye tha.

    muje ap ka answer buhat pasand aaya.

    thanks
     
  20. sajjad shah

    sajjad shah New Member

    Yahan pe kuch logon ne iss tarah muje jawab diya. jayse meri un k sath koi poranai Dushmani ho
     

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