Qabroo Per Masajid Aur Islam Mien In Ki Hasiyat

Discussion in 'Islam' started by ALLAH'S SLAVE, Nov 23, 2007.

  1. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Janab Faizan Attar sahib,

    Galat baat koi bhi kare wohbgalat hi hoti hai illa yeh k daleel saabit ker di jae.

    Nabi s.a.w. ne Qabron ko masajid banane se mana ki hai lahaza ager koi bhi yeh kaam kare ga to woh galat hi hai chahe hamari taraf se ho ya aap ki taraf se.

    Namaz na hone ya na hone ki buniad iss cheez per hai k kiss ko iss baat ki khaber hai aur kiss ko nahin lahaza yeh aik alag maamla hai.

    Lakin Qabron ko mismaar hi ker dena aur un per masjid bana lena sakhat galat hai. Wasalam
     
  2. pakbird

    pakbird Premium Member

    Mohtram janab Faizan Sahab,
    Boht ho gaya …. Ab ap se usi tarah baat kerni parre gi jaisa ke aap chahte hein ….
    Jaisa ke aap ke hi aik bhai doctor dhakan sahab(jin ka nick hi parhne ko dil nahi kerta aur saath mein foto bhi aisi laga rakhi hay ke Allah ki panah) ne aik she´r likha hua hay ke islam tere baap ki jageer nahi hay …
    Is liye meine bhi islam ko apne baap ki jageer na samajhte huye.. sirf apna deen aur mazhab samajhte huye.. aik dam se koi aisa jawaab dene se ehtiat ki hay ke jis se muj per Allah ki pakkar ho
    Jahan tak aap ki sab batoon ko mein parhata hun aur dekhta hun ke aap sirf aur sirf ikhtelaaf chahte hein …. Aur kisi bhi baat ko haar yaa jeet ka mamla bana lete hein ..

    Aap ke sawaal ke liye meine apni post no. 34 mein shoaib mughal ko jawaab dete huye bata dia hay ke Faizaan bhai ke sawaal ki noyiat kuch aur hay .. to us ka jawaab mein talash ker ke doon gaa..

    Kiunke aap ka sawal tha kabroon ki be hurmati ke mutallak,,,,, na ke qabar parasti ke mutallak tha..

    Is liye is ke jawaab ke liye mujay ehtiat se kaam lena parra .. kiunke aap pichle topic ko gol mol ker ke apne aap ko is baat se barri kerne ki koshish ker rahe the.. ke jee ham to kabar parasti nahi kerte.. ye to dekho ye log khud aisa ker rahe hein ..

    Aap jo kerte hein us ke bare mein raye waheen ki waheen hey …. Meine khud apni aankhoon se dekha hay logoon ko kabroo ko paoon wali side se choomte huye.. us par matha ragarrte huye…. Mein kaise maan loon ke aap ye kaam nahi kerte..
    Aap is thread ko shuroo se parhein aur sari ki sari ahadees ka baghor mutala karein .. aur phir sochein ke asal mein kia baat hay .. aur aap ne mozoh ko kaise palta hay ..

    Aap ka sawaal najaiz nahi …. Aap ke dil mein baat aaye hay poochna chahiye.. zaroor poochna chahiye… .. laikin jaise ke meine pehle bhi aap se kaha ke pichle 5 saal se aap is masle ke liye pareshan hien aur aap ne apne kisi aalim se is bare mein mashwara nahi kia… to kiun nahi kia aur agar kia hay to phir jan booj ker yahan ye baat cherne ka matlab hi sirf shararat ki siwa kuch bhi nahi..

    Shoaib bhai ne Masjid e nabvi ka reference dia to aap barre khush huye aur ye jawaab dia …..
    ”Shoaib bhai
    thanks alot iss reference ka...... umeed hai k ab mukhalifou se koi jawab nahi banega.............”

    Is baat ka mein kia matlab nikaloon .. ke aap ne sawaal kuch sekhne ke liye kia tha.. nahi katán nahi …. Aur mukhalifoon ne to sab batoon ke jawaab thread ke start mein hi de diye.. aap ne parha hota to ye kabhi bhi naa kehte..

    Jabke shoaib bhai bhi sab ahadees mubarka perh ker bhi aisa jaheloon wala sawaal ker sakte hein … nahi pata tha mujay

    Aap ka sawaal kabroon ki be hurmati ke mutallak tha … jabke topic kabar parasti ke mutallak hay ….

    Kiunke aap sirf jamaatoo ke harne aur jeetne ko hi deen mante hein .. is liye aap wahan to haar gaye.. aur is ka ikrar na kerte huye.. doosra sawaal dagh dia ke jis ke bare mein aap ko kuch ilam tha ke ye khata kis ne ki hay ..

    To bhai mere jaise ke rushad ne bhi kaha hey ke galati koi bahi kare .. wo galat hi hay .. kabhi sahi nahi ho sakta .. chahe wo kisi bhi jamaat ka ho
    Laikin wazahat unhoon ne bhi nahi ki .. kiunke mere khial mein yahan baithe tassab parast log .. in tamam ahadees ke theme ko samjhe hi nahi .. aur bas bahes shuroo ker di….

    Jabke meine shoaib bhai ke jawab mein post no. 34 mein ye baat ki hay ke jis bare meni baat ho rahi hey .. laikin us per to aap aate nahi na.. kiunke phir sirf Allah ke samne hi sajda kerna parre ga.. kabaroo waloon ka kia ho gaa…

    Khair.... baat phir wohi hey ke mein jitna marzi bhi boloon bataaon .. aap ki soyee apni jagah se hilne wali nahi ….
    Laikin bhai mere darkhawast hay ke jo baat Quran aur sunnat ke mutabik sabit ho jaye .. us ko maan lena chahiye…. Is se Allah bhi khush hota hay aur us ka Rasool (saw) bhi …. Sirf apne aalim ko hi na khush karein Attari , brelvi ya Qadri ka lakab apne saath laga ker

    Allah tallah samajh ataa fermaye… aamin

    Note: aap ke sawal ke jawaab abhi nahi dia.. ye sirf aap ki baat ka jawaab hay .. jo aap jeet haar ke mukabla kerne ki koshish kerte hein .. us ke bare mein Jawaab ke liye abhi kuch wait karein .. kiunke aap ke paas to tamam Islamic facilities mojood hein consult ke liye.. mein jahan rehta hun wahan to namaaz parhane ke liye bhi ham ne karaye ka makaan lia hua hay aur us ko masjid ke tor per istemal kerte hein …

    Mera aap ka koi zaati, ya jamaati ikhtelaaf nahi hay .. deen ko samajhne ke liye hi thora time yahan guzarta hun … aur aap jaise ilam waloon ke ilam ko parh ker refences ki chan been kerta hun aur apne liye deen mein sahi rasta talash kerta hun .. ..
    Kabhi time ho to muj ghareeb ke liye bhi dua ker dia karein ….ke Allah tallah sahi rah ki talash mein meri madad fermaye.... aamin
    Allah Hafiz
     
  3. FaizaneAttar

    FaizaneAttar New Member

    جناب رُشد صاحب
    میں آپ کے حوصلے کی داد دیتا ہوں کہ آپ نے بڑی ہمت سے اس بات کا جواب دیا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ اللہ تعالی آپ کو اس کی جزا دے اور اس ماہِ مُقدس کے صدقے آپ کو حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی سچی پکی محبت نصیب فرماےء۔ آمی
    ن
     
  4. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,
    Janab Faizan sahib,

    Allah gawah hai k ham kabhi bhi apne hon ya parae ki baat daleel ke khilaaf hone ki soorat main nahin maante. Ager kissi ka amal Quran ya Hadess ke khilaaf hai to kissi tor hujjat nahin chahe woh koi bhi ho illa yeh k daleel saabit ker di jae.
    Galti kissi se bhi ho sakti hai. Ager aik aalim se aik baat daleel ke khilaaf ho jae to kia zaroorat hai Quran ya Hadees ko uss ke amal ya qol ke mutabiq kerne ki. Seedhi si baat hai usse galti lag gai hai.
    Hamara tarz-e-amal gawah hai k ham kabhi apne Ulma ki khilaf-e-daleel baton ka diffa nahin kerte aur iss baat per hamen taana bhi dia jaata hai k tum log to apnon ki nahin maante. Khud bataie ager ham bhi doosron ki tarah apne Ulma ki khilaf-e-daleel baaton ka bhi diffa shuroo ker dain to deen to mazaq ban jae.
    Lahaza meri sab bhaion se guzarish hai k daleel Quran aur Sunnat ko banaen aur iss se jo saabit ho usse maan lain na k Ulma ki baton ko miar bana lia jae. Allah samajhne ki tofeeq de, Aameen

    Aik aur baat yeh kehna chahoon ga k Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat dawe se saabit nahin hoti bal'k iss baat se saabit hoti hai k kon unn ki Sunnat aur Ahadees per kitna aamil hai. Aur kon unn ki baton ke muqable main kissi ko nahin dekhta.

    wasalam
     
  5. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member


    bhai kisi mazar ko koi musalman sajda nahin kerta hai,
    men ne jo sawal poocha hai us ko bhi to aap samajhiye,
    men janta hoon apke paas koi jawab nahin hai
    mera khayal hai ap imaarat ki nahin mazar per honay walay waqiaat ki baat ker rahe hain ????
    agar esa hai to zaroor bataiye ga
    phir bhi men jawab de deta hoon ke agar aap imaarat ki baat ker rahay ho to us ke saboot majid-e-nabwi hai
    or yeh baat bohot se logon se keh chuka hoon hamaray nazdeek awam hujjat nahin hoti ab bohot se hindu, chirstian, sikh bhi mazaraat per jaatay hain kisi ke mathay per nahin likha hota ke wo kon hai, wo sajda kertay bhi hain to wo un ka matter hai, wesay bhi wo mushrik hain
    aap koi esi kitab a'la hazrat ki ya kisi jayyid aalim ki jis men unhon ne kaha ho ko qabron ko sajdah karo
    men aap se wadah kerta hoon ke main us shakhs per khud la'nat karoon ga wo bhi isi thread per

    agar himmat ho to zaroor pesh kijiye ga werna aap ko baat kernay ka koi haq nahin or administrator se bhi guzarish hai ke esi posts jis men koi hawala na ho us ko delete ker dia jae
     
  6. pakbird

    pakbird Premium Member

    Salaam,
    boht mazrat ke saath .. ye video ka link de raha hun .. apni aankhoon se dekh lein ..
    aur ab keh dena ke ye to sab hindu aur sikh hein
    ..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmOsz79_kJA
    Quran ke hawale tilawat bhi kiye huye hein aur likhe bhi huye hein video mein .. na samajh aaye to mujay batana mein bata doon gaa.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2008
  7. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    JI HAAN MEN NE YEH VIDEO DEKHI HAI IS YEH INDIA KA MAZAR HAI OR MEN NE PEHLE BHI ARZ KI KE KISI KE MATHAY PER NAHIN LIKHA KE YEH MUSLIM HAI YA GHAIR MUSLIM
    RAHI AAP JO KEH RAHAY HAIN WO SI VIDEO MEN KAHAN HAY AGAR AAP CHOOMNAY KO IBADAT KEH RAHAY HAIN TO MERAY BHAI YEH KAHAN LIKHA HAI KE CHOOMNA SHIRK HAI,
    ABHI AAP KO BOHOT TIME LAGAY GA AAP SE PEHLAY BOHOT AE OR CHALAY GAE, YAHAN PER KOI BHI SAJDA NAHIN KER RAHA AGAR BIL FARZ MAAN BHI LIYA JAE KE KOI KER BHI RAHA HAI TO
    YEH UN KA ZATI AMAL HAI
    AAP YEH SABIT KAREN KE HAMRAY BUZURGO NE YEH KAHA HO KE MAZARAAT PER JAA KER SAJDAY KARO ????
    MEN NE PEHLE BHI KAHA HAI OR AB BHI YEH KAHOON GA KE US SHAKHS PER MEN ISI THREAD PER KHUD LANAT KAROON GA YEH MERA WADA HAI
    AAP NE YEH VIDEO TO ESAY PESH KI KE PATA NAHIN AAP KE HAAT MEN KIA AA GAYA HAI ......
    RAHI BAAT TO MAZAR PER KISI KO AANAY SE ROKA JATA, OR HAMARA WASTA MAZAR PER AANAY WALON SE NAHIN BALKE SAHIB-E-MAZAR SE HAI,
    YEH KHILONAY APNAY PAAS RAKHO.......
    AAP KO SIRF BEHES KERNI AATI HAI BAAT CHEET KE USOOL BHI AAP SEEKH LO KE AWAM KABHI BHI HUJJAT NAHIN HOTI NA HI AWAM DALEEL HOTI HAI
    KOI ESA FATWA KOI ESI KITA MEN DOBARA REPEAT KER RAHA HOON,
    WO HAI TO PESH KARO WERNA IS THREAD PER APKA KAAM KHATAM HO GAYA HAI .......
    AAP TO KHUD KO YAHAN PER AHLE HADEES, YA WAHBI BHI KEHELWANAY SE DARTAY HAIN......
    IS LIYE YAHAN PER KHUD KO PESH NAHIN KER SAKTAY HUM ALHAMDULILLAH SEENA THOK KER KETAY HAIN HUM AHLESUNNAT WAL JAMA'AT SE TA'ALLUQ RAKHTAY HAIN........
    JIS DIN AAP NE APNI JAMA'AT KA NAAM LIYA USI DIN APKA ESA POSTMARTOM HOGA KE AAP KO SAMAJH AA JAEGI KE MUSALAMNO PER SHIRK KA FATWA LAGANAY SE KIA HOTA HAI.......
    AWAM KE AMAL KO PESH KER KE AAP KHUD KO SAHI SABIT KER DENGAY YEH APKI GHALATI HAI
    UMMEED KERTA HOON KE AAP KO BOHOT ACHAY TAREEQAY SE SAMAJH AA GAYA HOGA .............
    KISI BHI KAAM KO KERNAY SE PEHLAY US KE BARAY MEN MALOOMAAT HONI ZAROORI HOTI HAI ......
    BEHES KERNAY KE LIYE SIRF SAR HI NAHIN BALKE US KE ANDAR DIMAGH BHI HONA CHAHIYE........
    NIGAH-E-WALI MAIN WO TASEER DEKHI
    BADALTI HAZARON KI TAQDEER DEKHI
     
  8. pakbird

    pakbird Premium Member


    Mere piare bhai Shoaib Mughal sahab,
    Assalaam o Allaikum,
    mere bhai, mein kia meri hesiyat kia ... .mein kon hota hun kisi musalmaan per kufar ke fatwe lagane wala....
    jo baat roze awal se chali aa rahi hay .. Allah tallah ne Quran mein bhi aur doosri Aasmani kitaboo mein bhi wazeh alafaaz mein bata di .. jo bhi us ko ignore kare ga ya us ke khilaaf amal kare gaa.. wo khud hi is zumre mein aa jaye ga.. mere kehne ya kisi aur ke kehne ki zaroorat hi nahi ...
    baat barri simple si thi aur bilkul sada alfaaz mein biyan ki gayee thi ... laikin aap logoon ko kon samjhaye.... koi nahi samjha sakta .. jab tak Allah ki taraf se samajhne ki toufik na mille....

    aap ne fermaya:
    mathe per to aap ke bhi nahi likha ke aap musalmaan hein ya kon hein .. laikin zahiree tor per aik musalmaan apne amloo se hi pehchana jata hay ke ye kitna acha musalmaan hay,
    agar aap ye kehna chahte hein ke ye log yo ye harkatein ker rahe hein wo musalman nahi ho sakte .. to mein bhi aap ki baat se itefaak karoon gaa.. ke musalmaan to aisi harkatein nahi ker sakte...

    aap ne fermaya:
    to mere bhai kia saari video mein aap ko sirf choomna hi nazar aaya hay .. sajde kerte huye log nahi nazar aaye?.. us ke bare mein aap kia kahein gey,

    aap ne fermaya:
    wo to mujay pata hay ke time to mujay boht lage ga..... kiunke mein aap ke baki tamam mbahisse parh chuka hun aur dekh chuka hun ke aap kis kadar dheet hein .... kuch bhi ho jaye .. aap hak ko nahi manne wale... jo aap ke barroo ne parha dia bas wohi Quran hay wohi hadees hey...
    laikin mein bakiyoon ki tarah nahi hun .. aap agar aik maamle mein dheet hein to mein doosre maamle mein aap se kuch ziada dheet hun ....

    aap ne fermaya:
    to mere bhai meine ya kisi bhi is thread mein post kerne wale bhai ne kab ye kaha hay ke aap ke buzurgoo ne aisa kaha hay.. .
    ye to aap khud " chor ki darhi mein tinka" ki misaal ke tor per is mein ghus aye hein ..
    baat to general ho rahi thi ke aisa na kia jaye.. aisa nahi kerna chahiye.. to phir takleef to usi ko ho gi jo kerta hay ya kerne ki khawahish rakhta hay

    aap ne fermaya:
    mere bhai ye baat to mujay aap se kehni chahiye.. aap khud thread ko dobara parh ker dekh sakte hein ke ibteda kis ne ki?
    aur jahan tak awaam ki hujjat ki baat hay to mere bhai.. deen sirf khawaas ke liye nahi aya.. deen kul alim ke liye aaya hay ... is mein awaam bhi aate hein aur khawaas bhi .. awaam kabhi koi amal khud se nahi ker dete .. un ko koi na koi khaas us amal ke kerne ke bare mein batata hay to kerte hein..
    aur aap hi ke aik bhai Midtown sahab apni aik baat ko manwane ke liye ye irshad kerte hein ke " jiss chez ko zyada Musalman acha samajhtay hon woh Allah k nazdeq bhi acha hai." to mein aap ki manoo ya Midtown ki?

    aap ne fermaya:
    to bhai mere abhi tak to meri nazar se koi aisa fatwa nahi guzra.. aur na hi meine aap ki kisi barre per koi aisa ilzaam lagaya hay.. agar koi hua to zaroor pesh karoon gaa..
    jahan tak is thread per mere kaam ka sawaal hey to mere bhai meine to abhi apna kaam shuroo hi nahi kia ... laikin phir bhi aap khush raho mein keh deta hun ke mein haara aur aap jeete... yehi chahiye naa aap ko ..
    laikin jo baat mujay kehni hey wo mein kehta rahoon gaa.. us se to mujay aap ka koi ...............bhi nahi rok sakta...

    aap ne fermaya:
    mere bhai na to mujay aap ka dar hay aur naa hi aap ke barroo ka,, dar hay to sirf us zaat e pak ka jis ne mujay paida kia hay .. ke kahein meri kahi huee baat us ko burri na lage .. aur mein gunehgaar ho jaoon..
    mera jab kisi jamaat se koi tallak hi nahi to kiun keh doon ke falaan jamaat se hun ...
    Mera tallak hay to Allah aur us ke Rasool (saw) se hay.. aur her us se jis ka Mere Allah aur Rasool (saw) ne hukam dia hay ....

    aap ne fermaya:
    yehi to aap ka masla hay ke thora thora ker ke shaitaan insaan ko aisi jaga per le aata hay ke wo apne jaisa kisi ko nahi samajhta.... aur khud ko sab se aala samajhne lag jata hay ... laikin hakeekat to khuda hi behter janta hay na mere bhai .. ye takabrana alfaaz istemal kerne chorr do.. kisi din Allah ki pakkar mein aa jaoo ge..
    kufar ke fatwe kon lagata hay ye to mein bhi jaanta hun aur aap bhi achi tarah jante hein .. aur is forum per baithne wale sab achi tarah jante ..

    Allah tallah se dua kerta hun ke ham dono ko hak ko samajhne aur us per amal kerne ki toufik ataa fermaye... aur is forum per baithe parhane aur sunane waloon ko bhi, aur baki tamam musalmanoo ko bhi .. aamin
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2008
  9. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    MOHTARAM DOST UMMEED KERTA HOON KE AAP KHARIYAT SE HONGAY
    AAP NE MERI POST GHOR SE NAHIN PARHI
    MEN NE KAHA KE AWWAL TO KISI MAZAR PER JHUKNAY KA YEH MATLAB NAHIN KE WO SAJDAH KER RAHA HAI TO AAP YEH SUN LIJIYE KE HAMARA AQEEDAH YEH HAI KE ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT KE ILAWA AGAR KOI KISI OR KO SAJDAH KERTA HAI YA ALLAH KO BHI SAJDAH KERTA HAI OR KISI OR KO BHI KERTA HAI TO WO MUSHRIK HAI

    MUJHE TO APKI AQL PER HAIRAT HOTI HAI AAP FARMA RAHAY HAIN KE DEEN SAB KE LIYE HAI TO BHAI MEN NE YEH KAB KAHA KE DEEN SIRF KHAWAS KA HAI, MEN TO YEH KAHA KE AWAM HUJJAT NAHIN HOTI AGAR AAP SE KOI YEH POOCHAY GA KE MUSALMAN KIA HAI TO AAP KIA YEH BATAO GAY, AWAM KERTI HAI, FILMS, URYAANI, DHOL DHAMAKKAY, NAACH GANAY, YEH KAAM MUSALMAN BHI TO KERTAY HAIN
    MAGAR YEH ISLAM TO NAHIN YEH HAQ TO NAHIN, AGAR KOI MAZAR PER JAA KER GHALAT KAAM KERTA HAI TO AAP US KO HUM SE KYUN MANSOOB KERTAY HAIN HUM SE TO TAB MANSOOB KARO JAB HUM IN BATON KE HAAMI HON .......
    TO SAMAJH AEE MERAY DOST KE AWAM HUJJAT NAHIN HOTI MAGAR DEEN SAB KE LIYE HAI NA SIRF MUSALAMNO KE LIYE BALKE POORI DUNIYA KE LOGON KE LIYE

    IS THREAD KE HISAB SE AAP AGAR EK GENERAL BAAT KER RAHAY HAIN TO THIK HAI, HUM IN CHEEZON KE HAAMI NAHIN HAI KE KOI QABR KO SAJDAH KARAY TO HUM US KA DIFA KARAEN GAY WO GHALAT KERTA HAI .....

    EK GHAR MEN SAB NAMAZI OR NEK HON MAGAR EK SHAKHS BE NAMAZI, HAI GUNAH KERTA HAI TO IS KA YEH MATLAB NAHIN HOTA KE KOI SHAKHS TAMAM GHAR WALON KE BARAY MEN APNI RAE QAIM KER LE

    HAMARAY UALAMA IN BATON KI KHULI MUKHALIFAT KERTAY RAHE HAIN OR KERTE RAHEN GAY KE BOHOT SE MAZARAAT PER IS QISM KE JO KAAM HOTAY HAIN WO GHALAT HAIN

    MAGAR MUJHE UN LOGON PER ZIYADAH DUKH HOTA HAI JO IN BATON KO EK KHAS JAMA'AT SE MANSOOB KER KE POOR KUCH JAHIL LOGON KI WAJAH SE TAMAM MUSALMANO KO PATA NAHIN KIA KIA KEHTAY HAIN......

    HUMARA AQEEDAH BILKUL WAZEH HAI
    OR HUM YEH NAHIN KEHTE KE HAR MAZAR PER AANAY WALA SAHI HAI, OR EK BAAT BAAT ZAROOR YAAD RAKHIYE GA KE HUM SAHIB-E-MAZAR KA WASEELA PESH KERTAY HAIN KE YEH ALLAH KE BARGUZEEDAH BANDAY HAIN, IN LOGON NE DEEN KI KHIDMAT KI HAI, BOHOT SE MAZARAAT PER BOHOT SI KHURAFAAT HOTI HAIN MAGAR AHLESUNNAT WAL JAMA'AT KE UN SE KOI TA'ALLUQ NAHIN HAI MEN PHIR BATA DOON KE HAMARA TA'ALLUQ ALLAH OR ALLAH WALON SE HAI....

    UMMEED KERTA HOON KE AAP KO SAMAJH AA GAI HO GI, MEN BHI ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT SE DUA KERTA HOON OR AAP BHI KIJIYE KE WO HAMARA KHATIMA IMAAN PER FARMAE

    AGAR MERI KOI BAAT BURI LAGI HO TO MA'AZRAT CHAHTA HOON, OR HUM YAHAN PER JO BHI BAAT CHEET KERTAY HAIN WO ALLAH KI RAZA HASIL KERNAY KE LIYE KERTAY HAIN .....
     
  10. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    PAKI BAHI APP BARAVIYAT KHATAM KAR KAY HEE DAM LOO GHAY.MER KHIYAL HAY . ALLAH AP KO IS KE JAZA DAY.
     
  11. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    WO RAZA KE NEZAY KI MAAR HAI
    KE ADU KE SEENAY MAIN GHAAR HAI


    ASIM BHAI AAP KE PAAS IS KE ILAWA KUCH NAHI THA KEHNE KO

    AB ESI VIDEOS DIKHA KAR AHLESUNNAT KO BAD NAAM NAHIN KER SAKTAY ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT KE KARAM SE KOI HAQ KO NAHIN MITA SAKTA AAP KIA SAMJHE YEH VIDEO DIKHA KER AAP LOGON KO GUMRAH KER DENGAY TO YEH APKI BHOOL HAI........

    AAP KE HUM ASR PAKI SAHAB FARMATAY HAIN KE YEH KAAM HUM LOG KERTAY HAIN.....

    JHOOTON PER ALLAH KI LA'NAT HO
     
  12. SMR

    SMR New Member

    Assalamoalaikum,

    Janab Shoaib sahab bila waja to koi baat kisi ki taraf mansoob nahi kardi jati na...
    or phir kiya waja hai ke aap ko ITNA bura lag raha hai... baqol aapke jab aap haq par hain to phir itminan rakhiye..laikin aap haqeeqat jante hain or zahir hai jis jamat se apne aap ko zor o shor se mansoob kertey hain..usmian chahey kuch bhi ghalat ho raha ho usko defend karna aapki majbori hai..

    baharhaal ye sab jaante hain ke video main dikhaye gaye tamam NAZAREY sirf or sirf BRAILVIYAT main hi dikhney ko milen ge!
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2008
  13. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    MERAY MOHTARAM DOST
    YEH TO BILA WAJAH HI HAI, MANSOOB TO TAB HO KE HAMARAY UALAMA IN CHEEZON KI TALEEM DE RAHAY HON
    OR AAP NE KAHA KE BUR LAGA TO YEH BILKUL SAHI BAAT HAI BURA TO LAGAY GA JAB HUM PER ILZAM LAGAY GA, YEH TO SEEDHA SEEDAH LOGON KO GUMRAH KERNAY WALI BAAT HAI,
    OR HAAN HAQEEQAT MEN JAANT HOON IS LIYE TO MEN YEH KAHA THA APNI PICHLI POSTS MEN KE AGAR HAMARAY ULAMA NE ESA KAHA HO TO, BAAT HAI PHIR BATA DOON KE AWAM HUJJAT NAHIN HOTI
    AGAR KOI ADMI MAZAR PER SAJDAH KERTA HAI TO YEH GHALAT HAI, JAB HUM IS KI TARDEED KER RAHAY HAIN TO AAP KYUN IS KO ZABARDASTI HUM THONP RAHAY HAIN, MUJHE BHOHOT AFSOS HAI IS BAAT KA KE AAP EK ESI VIDEO JIS SE HAMARA KOI TA'ALLUQ NAHIN USAY HUM SE MANSOOB KER RAHAY HAIN......
    HUM YEH KEHTAY HAIN HUM IN BUZURGON KA WASEELA PESH KERTAY HAIN JO QURAAN-O-AHADEES SE SABIT HAI, BAQI SAB KHURAFAAT HAIN
    OR DUNIYA KE TAMAM MAZARAAT KI INTEZAMIYA AHLESUNNAT KE HAATH MAIN NAHIN HAI, PAKISTAN MEN TAMAM MAZARAAT OQAAF KE HAATH MEN HAIN .....
    AHLESUNNAT WAL JAMA'AT ESI KOI TALEEM NAHIN DETI, YEH WAHBI PROPEGANDA HAI JO KABHI KAMYAB NAHIN HO SAKTA.......
    AAP LOGON KI YEH VIDEO DEKH KER MERA IMAAN OR BHI MAZBOOT HO GAYA HAI KE WAHBIYAT KE TAMAM MAANNAY WALAY YA TO GHALAT FEHMI KA SHIKAAR HAIN YA TO JAAN BOOJH KER MUSALMANO KO GUMRAH KER RAHAY HAIN...........
    HUM JAANTAY HAIN KE HAMARAY PEER-O-MURSHI HAMAIN KIA TALEEMAAT DETAY HAIN,
    HUM NE KABHI BHI GHALAT BATON KO DEFEND NAHIN KIA

    AAP KI YEH BAAT TO TAB SUCH SABIT HO KE AHLESUNNAT ESI TALEEMAAT DETI HAI QABOOR PER SAJDAY KARO, TO BHAI MEN NE PEHLE BHI KAHA HAI MEN ISI THREAD PER KHUD US SHAKHS PER LA'NAT KAROONGA OR MEN YEH BHI JANTA HOON YEH WAHBI PANI BULBULA HAI

    KOI HAWALA HO TO ZAROOR PESH KEJIYE GA, AGAR AP PAKISTAN MAIN HAIN TO MAIN AAP KO KHULI DAWAT DETA HOON KE AAP MERAY SAATH CHALIYE YAA MUJHE BULA LIJIYE, HUM SAATH MAZARAAT PER CHALTAY HAIN OR DEKHTAY HAIN KE KIA HO RAHA HAI

    SIRF LAFFAZI HAR KOI KER SAKTA HAI HAQEEQAT KOI KOI TASLEEM KERTA HAI ......

    MEN DOBARA KEHTA HOON KE AAP MERAY SAATH CHALIYE.
    DOODH KA DOODH OR PANI KA PANI HO JAEGA

    MEN CHAHTA TO AP KE IS BE BUNIYAD ILZAMAAT KA JAWAB NAHI DETA, MAGAR YEH SIRF IS LIYE KEH RAHA HOON KE YA TO AAP CONFUSED HAIN, YAA KISI KE BEHKAWAY MEN AA RAHAY HAIN, YAA PHIR MUSALMANO KE KHILAF KOI SAZISH KER RAHAY HAIN ....

    RAHI BAAT WASEELAY KI TO YEH QURAN OR HADEES SABIT HAI .......
    AGAR AAP DALAIL DEKHNA CHAHTAY HON TO ZAROOR BATAIYE GA MAIN YAHAN PER PESH KAROONGA,

    HAZRAT ABDULLAH BIN UMAR (RA) KHARIJIYON KO TAMAM KHALQ-E-KHUDA SE SHAREER QARAR DETAY THAY OR FARMATAY THAY KE UNHON NE KAFIRON KE BARAY MEN NAZIL HONAY WALI AYAAT MUSALMANO PER CHISPAN KI (BUKHARI JILD 2, PAGE # 1024)
     
  14. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    Hazrat Huzaifa Bin Yaman (ra) Ne Bayan Farmaya Ke Huzoor (sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) Ne Farmaya, Mujhe Tum Per Us Shakhs Ka Dar Hai Jo Quraan Perhay Ga Jab Us Per Quraan Ki Ronaq Aa Jaegi Or Islam Ki Chadar Us Ne Orh Li Hogi To Isay Allah Jidhar Chahay Ga Behka De Ga, Wo Islam Ki Chadar Se Nikal Jaega, Or Isay Pas-e-pusht Daal De Ga Or Apnay Or Apnay Parosi Per Talwar Chalana Shuru Ker De Ga, Or Is Per Shirk Ke Ta'nay Maray Ga, Rawi Kehte Hain Ke Main Ne Arz Kiya Ke Ai Allah Ke Nabi (sallallahu Alaihi Wassalam) Shirk Ka Ziyada Haqdar Kon Hoga Jis Per Shirk Ki Tohmat Lagai Jaegi Ya Shirk Ki Tohmat Laganay Wala To Aap (sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) Ne Farmaya Balke Shirk Ki Tohmat Laganay Wala Shirk Ka Ziyadah Haqdar Hoga.
    sahih Abn Jaan 248/1 Baraqam 81, Masnad Albazar, Kashf Al Ashaar 99/1, Baraqam-175, Mushkil Alasaar 324/2 Baraqam 865, Walajmulkabeer 88/20 Baraqam-169, Masnad Ashamiyin 254/2 Baraqam 1291, Kitab Al Ma'rfa Wal Tareekh Al Zavi 358/2 An Ma'az Bin Jabl
     
  15. SMR

    SMR New Member


    Mohtaram aap itna jazbati na hon ...maine aap per ya aapki jamat per ilzam nahi lagaya haqeeqat bayan ki hai Mazaraat or unse matalliq har baat ya Afa`al ko aapki hi jamat se mansoob kiya jata hai .. mujhe batayain aisa hai ke nahi? kiyun ke aap log hi Mazarat,unki ahmiyat..... or is se related nazriyat o aqaeed ki taleem detey hain..Aapke han hi inka tassuwwar buaht aham hai goya deen or eman ka hissa hai..

    Ab mujhe batayen ke awam ki barhi tadad mazarat per in Qabih afa`al main masroof nazar aati hai Aksariyat in shirkiyana harkaton main had se ziyada kaise barh gaye?
    Baqol aapke ye sajdah kerne wale hindu hain .... ye bachon wale arguments na dain India ke mazarat ki baat to chorain main pak ke mazarat per is se kahin ziyada qabiih or shirkiyana afa`al hotey dikha don aapko??Aksariyat!!! chand log nhi or Musalman!jis mai parhe likhe log bhi shamil ho jatey hain
    Pata nhi aap haqeeqat se mun kiyun chura rahe hain ???
    Aap ne farmaya ke ulama is cheez ki taleem nahi detey..durust, aik sahih ul Aqeedah Aalime deen se umeed bhi nhi.
    to phir kaise gumrah hogaye ye log?
    "AQEEDAT" ki asman ko choti hadain kis ne sikhayen inhain?

    aap kahen ge ke hamara un logon se koi talluq nahi... mazarat ke tasawur aap ki hi jamat main buhat ahmiyat rakhta hai to wahan per honey wali qabar parsati ke zimedar kon hain phir?
    awam ki is barhi tadad ko samjhane wala koi nhi hai?aap or aapke ulama kiya kar rahe hain? Mazarat ke tassawwur or ahmiyat pe itna zor daitey hain to shirk ke is andhe koyen main masoom awam ko girne se bachana aapka or aapke ulama ka kam nahi???

    Aap apni jamat ko defend kiye chale jarahe hain...musharay per nazar to dalain.. khalqe khuda ki islah ka dard to paida karen dil main... Mazarat ke qaileen hoker aaj wahan honey wali kharafaat se chashmposhi kerke or ye kehker k jee ham to aisa nhi kerte nhi is mubarra na hojayen...
     
  16. SMR

    SMR New Member

    Mujhe batayen k aik qabar ko had se ziyada uncha kar diya jaye or usey naqsho nigar, pholun,haron chadaron se be inteha saja kar usey logon ki tawajjuh ke mehwar bana diya jaye or uske charon taraf mujawir bethey nashe main jhom rahe hon....
    ye sab logon ko Qabar parsti per amada karega ke nhi?


    phir jhunjunon bajon dhol tamashon ki awaz per tofan e bad tameezi barpa kerna jismain mardon or aurton ka ikhtlat...Allah ki panah!!
    Ab aap batayen ke in sari kharafat ki koi na koi bunyad to hogi ?kaha se in afa`al ki ibteda hoi?

    Qabar per "MASJID" numa imarat qayim kerke .. wahan logon ko hazri deney ,duayen mangne,nazrane pesh kerne ki taraf raghib kiya jana or unke aqaeed main ye baat dalna ke yahan muradain puri hoti hai... ye Qabar parasti ki hi taraf raghib kerna hai?
    aam awam jinko pehley Qurano Hadith ki bunyadi taleem to nhi di jati hai laikin in kamo ki taraf laga diya jata hai.. jo inki gumrahi ka asal sabab hai!

    Meray bhai aap Alhumdulillah parhe likhe musalman hain deen ki muhabbat aapke dil main bhi hai..emandari se batayen... in sab baton ka Islam ki taleemat se koi talluq hai? laikin aaj deen ke naam per AQEEDAT ke naam per khule aam ye kharafaat ho rahe hain..
    Aaj mazarat ka ye mahol or phir usey Islam jaise Khalis or pakeeza deen se jorhker dar haqeeqat Islam ka charha maskh kiya ja raha hai..
     
  17. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    aap dono bhaiyon ki baat ka ek hi jawab hai, hum zaroor sahib-e-mazar ki ahmiyat batatay hain, koi bhi ghair sharai kaam ki hum taleem nahin detay agar koi esay kaam kerta hai to wo khud zimmadar hai .......

    sirf ek misal per aapki baat ka jawab doonga
    HUM SAB KHUD KO MUSALMAN KEHTAY HAIN, AB GHOR SE SUNIYE
    DUNIYA MAIN ESAY KITNAY MUSALMAN HAIN, JO NA HAQ QATL KERTAY HAIN, CHORI KERTAY HAIN, DAKA DALTAY HAIN, ZINA KERTAY HAIN, ALLAH KI NAFARMANIYON KA AMBAAR LAGA CHUKAY HAIN, EK HI FIRM MAIN KAAM KERNAY WALAY DOOSRAY KA KAAM KHARAB KERTAY HAIN, RISHWAT LETAY HAIN, HARAM KAAM KERTAY HAIN, IS WAQT KITNAY MUSALMAN HAIN JO KAMA HAQHU DEEN PER AMAL KER RAHAY HAIN

    AB AGAR KOI GHAIR MUSLIM YEH KAHE KE JO YEH KAAM KER RAHA HAI KE YEH ISLAM KI TALEEMAT HAIN ????????

    TO YAQEENAN AAP YEH KAHEN GAY ISLAM YAQEENAN YEH TALEEM NAHIN DETA ........

    TO MERAY BHAI HAMARA TA'ALLUQ SAHIB-E-MAZAR SE HAI MAZAR KE ATRAF MAIN JO KUCH HOTA HAI YEH HAMARAY IKHTIYAR MAIN NAHIN

    APKI MANFI SOCH HAI, HAMARAY ULAMA YEH KAAM NAHIN KERTAY NA HI ESI TALEEMAT DETAY HAIN YEH TO AAP SARA SAR ILZAM TARASHI KER RAHAY HAIN ... AGAR HAMARAY ULAMA NE ESA KAHA JESA AAP KEH RAHAY HAIN TO SABIT KIJIYE .....

    AB AAP SABIT KEREN GAY TO HI BAAT HOGI ...
     
  18. ALLAH'S SLAVE

    ALLAH'S SLAVE New Member

    pasand karnay ka shukriyaa bhai
     
  19. postmartom

    postmartom New Member

    jo log mazarat per janay chahtay hian wo pehlay in ahadees ko parh lain..k kitni gunjaish hay yahan janay ki...
    shukriya bhai
     
  20. nadeem5476

    nadeem5476 New Member

    Aaj Deogund aur wahabio Ka haal bura hai. Becharay yahoodio o nasara Ki madad say Muslims k khilaf Daesh jaisi Tanzeem bana k Muslims ko MAAR rahay Hain. Aur Deogund and wahabi Khush ho rahay Hain. Lanat hai.

    Madaaris main Islamic taleem k bajaey terrorism sikhaya Ja raha hai. Lanat hai.
     

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