Sun revolves aruond earth ? asked by zaalim

Discussion in 'Zaalim' started by filba4, Nov 23, 2005.

  1. filba4

    filba4 New Member

    Asalam-0-Alikum
    meray pearey dost zaalim ney ik dafa sawal kia key
    muslim believe kertay haan key soraj , sun revolves around the earth
    jab key science kehti hay key
    earth revolves around the sun

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    similar question asked by some one else and Dr Zakir nayak answer is here

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    answer by Dr Zakir Nayak

    (Ans) A very good question, the brother has asked. That’s why for more details, I said… You refer to my video cassette - “Qur'an and Modern Science – Conflict or conciliation” Part I & II. It’s a four hour cassette, which took place in Bombay. The chair person is saying that… Be brief. It is difficult to be brief and convince, and the brother has rightly said…There was a theory… which was propounded by Tolommy - I am giving the name of the person by Tolommy… 2nd century B.C., which believed in the theory of Goecentrism. Geocentrism means, the earth was the centre of the universe, and all the planets including the sun, revolved round the earth - which the Qur'an completely contradicts. In fact, what I quoted from the Verse of the Holy Qur'an was brother, from
    Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, V. No. 33… (Arabic)…. That it is Allah, who has created the nights and the day…. (Arabic)…. each one travelling in a orbit, with its own motion. It says that… The sun and the moon is travelling in a orbit… orbit means revolving - with its own motion means… rotating. Yasbahun is an Arabic word, describing the motion of a moving body for a celestial body. It is rotating… it revolving and rotating. No where does the Qur'an say that… The sun and moon revolves, around the earth. Today the science has advanced - that is on old theory, which has been proved wrong. Today science tells us that… The sun solar system… of the solar system - sun is the centre. The planets Mercury, Earth, Venus - all one revolving. But the solar system on its own - the solar system is also revolving round, in the galaxy. If you know brother, that is the latest theory... That even the solar system is revolving around a point in the galaxy, and even the galaxy is revolving point in the universe. So the Qur'an does not say, that the sun and moon is revolving round the sun - which Tasnema Nasreen has misinterpreted. She says that… The Qur'an says that the sun, revolves round the earth. There is not a single statement - that is a misinterpretation. The Qur'an says that… The sun and moon, revolve and rotate. It doesn’t say… Around the earth - That is she is adding the own.

    Previously, when I was in school, I was thought that the sun revolves… it does not rotate - it was stationery.

    Today, with the help of an equipment, you can have the image of the sun, on the table top. Since we can look at the sun directly, you can have the image of the sun, on the table top - And we have come to know, that the sun has got black spots. And it takes approximately 25 days for these black spots, to complete one rotation - indicating, the sun takes 25 days to complete one rotation.

    So what science tells… proves today, in school I didn’t knew this. What science has proved today… that the sun rotates and revolves. Qur'an has mentioned this, 1400 years ago. There is not a single statement in the Holy Qur'an, which goes against established science. There may be theories which go against the Qur'an -Theories like Darwins Theory, which has been proved wrong. But theories… Not a single scientific fact, which has been established, which goes against a single Verse of the Holy Qur'an. Hope that satisfies for brother.

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    Last edited: Nov 23, 2005
  2. Baazauq

    Baazauq New Member

    Ek baat pas-e-tehreer k taur par : ...:)

    Quran ki haqqaniat...
    science k thru sabit karna sahi nahi.
    warna iska doosra matlab yeh lia jayega (chahe ghalat-fehmi ke tehat hi sahi) ke jin baaton(qurani aayaat) ko science sabit kar dey hum usko accept kar leingey.
    Quran kehta hai ke ALLAH EK HAI, usi ki ibadet karo.
    sirf itna kaha jana munasib hai k aisa QURAN ne kaha hai... Rasool(saw) ne farmaaya hai.
    scientific dalaayel k saharey Allah k wajood ko sabit karna goya bhiron k chattey me haath daalna hai... baat se baat niklegi aur dooooor talak jaayegi... :)
    aur asal Qurani ayet waheen ki waheen reh jaayegi!

    Quran/Hadees maujood hain iman laane k liye... jisko iman lana hai uske liye yeh dono (Quran+Hadees) kafi hain... jo in dono par hi yakeen na rakhe... usko hum aap khaarji dalaayel se qayel karke kaunsa bara teer maar leingey??
    think about it dear.... :)
     
  3. filba4

    filba4 New Member

    durust kaha app ney
    Dr Sahib nay bi yahi kaha hay
    key science to badalti rehti hay

    kabi zameen ko soraj key gird gumati hay
    kabi soraj ko fix ik jaga per kari ker deti hay
    kabi kuch , kabi kuch

    lakin Quran ney jo kaha wo hamesha sey durust hay and durust rahey ga :)

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    sath yeh bi sharat hay key wo Allah ki nishanion per ghor kareey
    keeon key koi faith bi islam ka esa naeen hay jo key blind ho
    sab wazey and khuli nishanion key sath haan dehknay waloon key liya.
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2005
  4. Baazauq

    Baazauq New Member

    jee jee

    Exactly!

    magar afsoos to yehi haina...
    log Quran+Hadees par tehqeeq se "ghabraate" hain.... ;)
    magar.... Theory of evolution, Big Bang theory, Survival of Fittis, aur na jaane kya alam balam... par dhuaan dhaar parhtey, tehqeeq kartey, jaan khapatey hain........................................!

    kyun??
    meri zati khayal me to...
    sirf isliye k jaise hi aap Quran-o-Hadees ke bayan-karda haqaayeq ko sachche dil se qabool karne ka aylaan kareingey... usi pal se aap par kuch "zimmedarian" bhi aayed ho jati hain..
    aur yehi "zimmedarian"... hamara "nafs" qabool karne par hargiz aamada nahi hai/hota!
    aur yehi waje hai ke log daawa bhi karte hain k Quran ki baaz sachchayoun se inkaar nahi aur doosri hi saans me yeh bhi kehte hian ke... magar hum IMAN nahi laayeingey... :)
    kyunke Quran kehta hai:
    ISLAM me poorey ke poorey daakhil ho jao!!

    aur Allah hi sab ko hidayet dene wala hai.
    Wama alaina illal balagh.
     
  5. filba4

    filba4 New Member

    beshak app ney bilkul durust kaha hay
     
  6. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    filba main ne yeh jumla istamaal nahi kiya tha. aur main ne jo jumla istamaal kiya tha voh bikul alag mafhoom rakhta tha.

    tum ne apnay alfaaz mein meri jo baat quote ki hai voh main ne kabhi nahi ki.
    tum ne na-danista taur per hi sahi magar meri baat ghalat quote ki hai.

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    baaqi yeh poora thread main ne abhi nahi parha is liye tabsara nahi kar sakta.
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2005
  7. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    thora abhaam hai zakir naik ki baat mein khair koi baat nahi. jaldi mein likhi hui tehreer lagti hai.

    meri kuch guzaarishaat.

    > Quran mein suraj aur chand ki gardish ka zikr to hai lekin zameen ki gardish ka zikr nahi hai.
    is se kya baat saabit hoti hai aap khud behtar jaantay hain.
    bhai jab suraj aur chand ki gardish ka zikr aa gaya to zameen ki gardish ka kyoon nahi?

    jab ke koi kam se kam aqal ka aadmi bhi yeh baat aasaani se keh sakta hai ke zameen ki gardish ki taraf ishaara asal inkishaaf hai. suraj aur chand ki gardish ki baat karna koi inkishaaf nahi hai.

    > quran mein istamaal kiye gaye lafz ko rotation aur revolution saabit karna yeh zabardasti science ke saath milaanay waali baat hai.
    main poochhta hoon ke aaj se 1400 saal pehlay ka insaan jab voh aayaat parhta tha to us ko kya baat samajh mein aati thi?

    > aap thori der ke liye 1400 saal pehlay ke zamaanay mein chalay jaayen aur phir quran ki vohi aayaat parhen aur phir mujhe bataayen ke aap ko kya samajh mein aata hai?

    1400 baad nayi tashreeh karnay ka matlab yeh hai ke aap kheench taan kar science se milaana chah rahay hain, islam ko.

    > yeh sahi hai ke quran mein suraj aur chand ki safar ki baat to hai lekin zameen ke gird gardish ki baat nahi hai quran mein.
    aisa shayad is liye hai kyoon ke us waqt kisi ko pata nahi tha ke duniya gol hai. :)

    > kya aap ko quran ki kisi aayat se zameen ke gol honay ka ishaara milta hai?

    balkay ishaara zameen ke flat honay ka hi milta hai. magar zaahir hai ke ab us ko bhi kheench taan kar badal diya jaaye ga. balkay ja chuka hai.

    > main kehta hoon ke aap thori der ke liye aaj ke zamaanay se nikal kar 1400 saal pehlay ke zamaanay mein chalay jaayen aur phir quran ko parhen aur phir mujhe batayen ke aap ko zameen flat lagti hai ya gol?

    main yaqeen se keh sakta hoon ke agar hum suhaaba se poochhtay to voh yehi kehtay ke zameen flat hai.
    yeh baat alag hai ke ab aap maanen ge nahi.
     
  8. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    dekhen jo beleive karta hai voh to na question karay ga na us mein salahiyat hoti hai.
    agar koi hadees aisi ho jis mein kaha gaya ho ke insaan ke 50 dimaagh hotay hain to aisi baat per andha yaqeen karnay waalay log bhi thok ke hisaab se maujood hain.

    magar hum jaise log question kartay hain. ab agar aap question ka jawaab dena pasand na karen to aap ko ikhtiyaar hai beshak.
     
  9. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    science to vohi hai jo hamesha se thi. albatta scientist is ko dariyaaft karnay mein ghalti kar saktay hain. kartay rehtay hain. aur ghalti har jagah ho sakti hai.

    sahi hai ke science kabhi kisi cheez ko kisi cheez ke gird ghuma rahay hain. kabhi kisi ko kisi ke gird.

    lekin quran ke baaray mein to koi hatmi faisla hona chahiye ke aakhir quran kya keh raha hai?

    verna aap dekhen ke scientists ki ghaltiyon ke bawajood bhi science itni authentic hai ke mazhab science ke peechhay bhaagta hai science mazhab ke peechhay nahi.

    mazhab apni credibility ko science ke zariye saabit karta hai. science apni credibility ko mazhab ke zariye saabit nahi karti.

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    jaise doctor zakir naayat mazhab ka inkaar karnay ke bawajood bhi islam ko kheench taan kar mazhab ke saath milaanay ki koshish kar rahay hain.
    is hi tarah agar kal scientist bhi apna biyaan badalnay to yaqeenan zakir naayak ko bhi aayaat ki ek nayi tashreeh karna paray ga. jisay scientist ka naya biyaan challenge na kar sakay.

    aaj aap quran ki ru se zameen ko flat nahi maanen ge. lekin agar farz farz farz farz karo ke kal scientist keh den ke zameen flat hai.
    to phir aap kal hi zameen ke flat honay ki daleel mein quran ki yeh aayaat utha kar len aayen ge ke "hum ne zameen ko bichhaaya"
    albatta aaj kyoon ke science zameen ko gol kehti hai is liye aaj aap bhi quran ki is aayat ka matlab zameen ka gol hona nahi lete.
     
  10. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    baazauq ki yeh pori post mehaz ek misunderstanding hai aur kuch nahi.
    main muslim hota to shayad non-muslims ke baaray mein meri bhi aisi hi misunderstandings hoti.
    is liye shukr hai ke main muslim nahi hoon.

    itnay aqalmand aadmi se itni satahi baat mazhab hi kara sakta hai.
     
  11. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    ok bhaiyo main behas se out.
    jis cheez ke liye main ne filba se sawaal poochha tha voh ab mujhe pata chal gayi hai. ab mazeed kisi ke paas kehnay ke liye kuch hota to pehli hi post mein keh chuka hota.

    zakir naik ke paas bhi shayad is kheench taan ke alaawa kuch nahi hai. hota to pehlay vohi post hota.

    asal question ko log pata nahi kyoon nahi samajh paatay.

    khair main behas se out. ab is mein mere liye kuch nahi bacha.
     
  12. filba4

    filba4 New Member

    zaalim
    tum is ko kench tan keh rahey ho lakin
    yeh to bataoo
    key Quran key ilfaz ghalat haan kia. pero ager ghalti nikal sako to bataoo

    wahan likha hay key soraj , jand sitarey girdish main haan
    ager koi is sey interpret kerta hay key zameen key gird to yeh ghalat hay
    keeon key Quran main yahan zameen key gird ka to zikar hi naeen hay

    is main kench tan wali bat to tab ho jab hmm kaheen key zameen key gird ghoom rahi hay

    concentrate on words
    kia words contradicts kertay haan , no and never

    yeh app ki apni interpretation hay
    hmm to app ki is kench tan ko khatam ker rahey haan

    app keh rahey haan key hmm khench tan ker rahey haan

    jab key dekain key app khench tan ker rahey haan key yahan Quran ka matlab hay zameen key gird gardish
    jab key Quran main to likha hi naeen key zameen key gird

    zameen key gird kehna khencha tani hay na key sirf kehna key soraj chand sitarey girdish main haan
     
  13. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    20 hazaar saal pehlay ka aadmi bhi kehta tha ke sooraj aur chand gardish mein hain. to kya 20 hazaar saal pehlay ka aadmi ghalat tha?

    agar humen alfaaz per hi jaana hai to phir to suraj aur chand ki gardish ka inkishaaf quran ne nahi balkay 20 hazaar saal pehlay ke aadmi ne kiya tha. balkay 20 bhi kya 50 hazaar saal pehlay ke aadmi ne. balkay 50 bhi kya............................


    to asal baat yeh nahi hai ke alfaaz ghalat hain ya sahi. baat yeh hai ke aap ne baat kis background mein ki hai.
    zaahir hai alfaaz to 20 hazaar saal pehlay ke aadmi ke bhi ghalat nahi hai. lekin actually us ke sahi alfaaz mein bhi ghalti hai. kyoon ke jis cheez ko voh gardish keh raha hai, gardish vaisi nahi hai balkay mukhtalif hai.


    isay koi is tarah interpret nahi kar raha.
    zameen ke gird ki baat to tab aaye gi jab unhen pata ho ke zameen gol hai. 1400 saal pehlay to kisi ko pata hi nahi tha ke zameen gol hai.
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    of course quran mein zameen ke gird waali baat kahin bhi nahi hai.

    lekin agar koi zameen ke gird ka kehta hai to us ka matlab yeh hota hai ke quran ka ishaara 24 hours waali gardish per tha. aur 24 hours waali gardish actually sooraj ki nahi balkay zameen ki hai.
    proof yeh hai ke quran mein jahaan per bhi suraj ki harkat ka zikr aaya hai waheen per aksar din aur raat ka bhi zikr aaya hai. jis se yeh tassur milta hai ke din aur raat goya ke suraj ki gardish se ho rahay hain.

    haalaankay scientific fact yeh hai ke din aur raat zameen ki gardish se ho rahay hain.

    to quran mein din aur raat ka zikr to zameen ki gardish ke saath aana chahiye na? lekin quran mein ek bhi jagah zameen ki gardish ka zikr nahi hai.

    yeh baat samajh se baahar hai ke jab chand aur suraj ki gardish ka zikr aaya hai to phir zameen ki gardish ka zikr kyoon nahi aaya?

    yeh bhi fact hai ke naked-eye observation mein sirf suraj aur chand ki hi gardish dikhaayi deti hai zameen ki nahi.

    is sab se kya ishaara milta hai? ghair-jaanibdaar aadmi ko to bohat kuch pata chal jaata hai. lekin aqeedat ke andhay ko kuch nahi pata chalta.

    aur is hi liye main ne is sab ko kheench taan kaha hai.

    main ne kaha na ke quran mein kahin per bhi "zameen ke gird" waalay alfaaz nahi hain.
    jo interpretation main ne ki nahi us ka ilzaam kyoon laga rahi ho mujh per?



    aap sirf itna jawaab den ke:
    > quran mein jab suraj aur chand ki gardish ka zikr hai to zameen ki gardish ka zikr kyoon nahi hai? jab ke asal inkeshaaf to zameen ki gardish hai!

    > quran mein din raat ka bhed kholtay waqt zameen ki 24 ghantay waali gardish ka hawaala kyoon nahi diya jaata? balkay is ke bajaaye suraj aur chand ki gardish ka hawaala kyoon diya jaata hai?

    > quran mein suraj aur chand ke raaston ki baat hui hai. zameen ke raastay ki baat kyoon nahi hui?

    > quran mein suraj aur chand ke raaston ke saath kaha hai ke yeh sab is liye hai taakay suraj aur chand aapas mein takra na jaayen.

    suraj aur chand ke collision ki baat kyoon hai? zameen aur chand ke collision ki baat kyoon nahi hai?

    in sab baaton se hamara shak naked-eye observation per jaat hai aur kuch nahi.

    science ki khoobi yehi hai ke science naked-eye observation se bohat jagah mukhtalif hoti hai.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2006
  14. filba4

    filba4 New Member

    sab sey pehlay yeh key zameen gool naeen oval hay , umeed hay key app apni islah ker lain gay :D


    The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: “And we have made the earth egg shaped”. [Al-Quran 79:30]

    The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geo-spherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.

    Thus the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2006
  15. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    haan bachchay bachchay ko bhi pata hai ke oval hai.

    urdu mein "oval" ke liye lafz hai "bezvi" jo ke "beza" se liye gaya hai. aur "beza" kehtay hain, "anday" ko.
    jab ke khud yeh bhi kaha jaata hai ke anda gol hota hai. halaanke anda bhi oval hi hota hai.
    to ek had tak urdu mein oval ke liye gol ka lafz bhi chalta hai.
    baazauq se gawaahi le lo.

    aur agar tum ko mafhoom per nahi balkay alfaaz per hi jaana hai to infact oval bhi nahi hoti. kyoon ke pahaar hotay hain, darakht hotay hain, ravines hoti hain joe ke oval shape ko bigaar deti hain. understand?

    aur agar itna hi zyaada alfaaz per jana hai hai to (murghi ka) anda ek taraf se patla aur ek taraf se chaura hota hai. aur dono atraaf mein kaafi zyaada farq hota hai. jab ke zameen ke saath yeh maamla nahi hai. lehaaza agar baareeqi per jaana hai to phir to egg shaped bhi nahi hai zameen.

    aur urdu mein to yeh maqoola aam hai "duniya gol hai".

    to urdu mein aap gol keh den ya oval keh den ya bezvi keh den, sab chalay ga.


    check kar ke dekhoon ga. phir kuch baat hogi is per.

    ek baat aur zehan mein rakho ke koi cheez 2 tarah se gol/oval ho sakti hai.
    pehli soorat mein ball ki tarah, aur doosri soorat mein roti ki tarah.

    zameen per roti waali misaal nahi chalay gi. anday waali chal jaaye gi.
     
  16. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    vaisa filba, main ne post# 13 mein aakhir mein jo sawaal kiye hain tum ne mujhe un ka jawaab nahi diya.
     
  17. zaalim

    zaalim Premium Member

    ok main ne check kar liya.

    1 > "dahaha" ke maani mere paas jitnay Quran hain un mein "exapanse" "spread-out" waalay hain.
    is ka matlab hai ke maani mein ibhaam (ambiguity / perplexity) hai. aur baat waaza andaaz mein nahi ki gayi hai.

    2> thori der ko yeh farz kar lete hain ke main kaafir honay ki wajah se jaan boojh kar ibhaam ki baat kar raha hoon. thori der ko yeh farz kar lete hain ke main mukhalifat-baraaye-mukhalifat ki buniyaad per ibhaam ki baat kar raha hoon.

    ab sawaal yeh paida hota hai ke main to chalo kaafir hoon, lekin muslim translators ko "egg" waali meaning saaf saaf samajh mein kyoon nahi aayi?

    matlab islam ko maannay waalay itnay saaray translators ke zehn mein bhi "egg" ka khayaal nahi aaya!
    translators bhi voh jo ke kam as kam is had tak to arabic jaantay thay ke translation ki jurrat kar saken!

    3> ek sawaal yeh bhi paida hota hai ke "shutr-murgh" ke anday ko kis zamaanay se "dahaha" kaha ja raha hai?
    100 saal pehlay se? 500 saal pehlay se? 1400 saal pehlay se? ya 2500 hazaar saal pehlay se?

    4> shutr-murgh ke anday ke liye arabic mein sab se zyaada aam (common) lafz kya hai? kya "dahaha" sab se zyaada common lafz hai?

    5> "egg" waali jo tashreeh tum ne post ki hai, yeh tashreeh kab likhi gayi?

    zameen ke oval honay ke baaray mein scientific daryaaft ke baad ya daryaaft se pehlay?

    agar Quran ne baat waazah ki hai to phir aisi tashreeh scientific fact maloom honay se pehlay ki honi chahiye.

    6> agar baat waazah hai to phir yeh farz karna parega ke jab yeh aayat naazil hui aur logon ko sunaayi gayi to us waqt ke suhaaba ko yeh baat saaf saaf samajh mein aa gayi hogi ke duniya oval hai. aur phir yaqeenan suhaaba ne hairat se daanton mein ungliyaan daba li hongi. aur zameen ke "egg-shaped" honay ko bohat bari dariyaaft samjha gaya hoga.

    ab agar suhaaba ko yeh zameen ke oval honay ki baat samajh mein aa gayi thi to is ka zikr us zamaanay ki kitaabon mein kyoon nahi hai? is baaray mein koi guftgoo us zamaanay ki kitaabon mein kyoon nahi hai?
    is topic per koi discussion us zamaanay ki kitaabon mein kyoon nahi hai?

    jab ke agar baat waazah ki thi to is ka zikr us zamaanay ki books mein laazmi hona chahiye tha. aur ahadees ki books mein bhi is topic per kuch ahaadees hona chahiye theen.

    7> science ek bari dariyaaft karti hai to duniya ke sanjeeda halqon mein hungaama khara hojaata hai.
    mujhe yaad hai jab clonning ki baat hui thi to hum sab dost saktay ki kaifiyat mein thay. hamaray ek dost ke maathay se to paseena beh raha tha. jab ke humari age us waqt kuch zyaada bhi nahi thi. 14 ya 15 years ke lag bhag honge hum log us waqt. phir bhi science ki ek dariyaaft ka itna zyaada asar tha hum per.

    to phir agar 1400 saal pehlay "egg-shaped" waali baat kar di thi to suhaaba ka bhi yehi haal hua hoga balkay is se bhi zyaada. phir is baaray mein koi nishaan kyoon nahi hai us zamaanay ki books mein?

    8> jo tashreeh tum ne post ki hai agar yeh tashreeh nayi hai, to phir yehi baat samajh mein aati hai ke yeh tashreeh "aaj ke zamaanay" ko dekhtay huay ki gayi hai.

    aur agar science kehti ke duniya "square-shaped" hai, to phir shayad aap "dahaha" ke door daraaz ke koi aise matlab bhi nikaal lete jo "square" lafz ko support karen. maslan kisi mulk ke kisi dehaat mein ek "square-shaped" roti pakaayi jaati hai. us roti ko "dahaha" kehtay hain

    9> ek aadat aap logon ki hai. balkay aadat nahi majboori.
    voh yeh ke jahaan science aur islam ka clash ho wahaan per aap quran ke alfaaz ko mahaawra qaraar de dete hain aur us ke literal meanings ko nahi dekhtay.
    jab ke jahaan per alfaaz ko kheench taan kar literal meanings mein hi science ke qareeb kiya ja sakta hai wahaan per aap har baat ko literal karnay ki koshich kartay hain.

    10> mera khayaal hai ke tamaam ulma ko baith kar pehlay yeh faisla karna chahiye ke kaun sa lafz mahawaratan istamaal hua hai, aur kaun sa literal.

    11> balkay Quran ke saath literal alfaaz aur mahaawaron waalay alfaaz ka ek "chart" bhi aana chahiye tha taakay logon ko samajh mein aaye ke kaun si baat ko literal parhna hai aur kaun si baat ko mahwaaray ke andaaz mein.

    12> ek chart is baaray mein bhi aana tha jo bataye ke kis mahaawaray ka kya matlab hai.
    kyoon ke hum dekh rahay hain ke jaise jaise science mein nayi nayi dariyaaften hoti hain, us hi ke saath ulma bhi Quran ke alfaaz ko ek naye mahaawray ki soorat mein pesh kartay hain, taakay Quran science se match ho sakay.

    jab science ki koi theory reject kardi jaati hai to phir ulma bhi quran ki aayat ka voh waala mahawaara reject karkay naya mahaawra nikaal lete hain jo ke nayi science ke saath match karay.

    13> misaal ke taur per agar aaj science keh de ke zameen ke oval honay waali theory ghalat thi.
    to phir kal aap bhi yeh kehna chhor den ge ke "dahaha" ka matlab egg hota hai.
    aur phir aap "dahaha" ka koi aisa matlab nikaalen ge jo ke nayi science se match karay.

    14> Quran mein "egg-shaped" ki peshan-goyi waali baat aap ko scientific dariyaaft ho jaanay ke baad hi kyoon pata chali pehlay kyoon na pata chali?
    peshan-goyi to voh hoti hai jo pehlay se pata chal jaaye.

    15> agar muslims ko pehlay hi zameen ke "egg-shaped" honay ka pata chal gaya tha to phir yeh dariyaaft kaafiron ke hissay mein kaise chali gayi?

    muslims ne pehlay hi yeh ailaan kyoon nahi kar diya?

    yeh to koi baat nahi hui ke pehlay science ne keh diya us ke baad aap chalay aa rahay hain ke hum ne to pehlay hi aisa keh diya tha.
     
  18. Baazauq

    Baazauq New Member

    itni sab behas ka koi faayeda filbahere??
    zaalim ne maanna nahi hai...
    aur Quran ki aayaat ko kheench taan kar science k mawafiq batana kaunsi danishmandi hai?? science to har pal badalti rehti hai...
    Quran ki to kuch aayaat aisi bhi hain... jinko insani aql ki madad se samajhna (ya baqoul zaalim, hazam karna) na-mumkin hai... aur science banti hai insani aql se...
    lihaza Quran aur science ke taqabul ki baatein karna... aur woh bhi "zaalim" se... mehaz waqt ka ziyaan hai aur bus!!!!!!!!
     
  19. waseemmalik007

    waseemmalik007 Premium Member

    AAP NE BAJA FARMAYA BAAZAUQ BHAI...
     
  20. Sohail Nawaz

    Sohail Nawaz New Member

    Assalamoalaikum
    ALLAH pak humy samaj atta farmaye jo humy gumrah hony Se bachaye..ameen
     

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