Taqleed Aik Gumraahi

Discussion in 'Islam' started by rushed, Mar 23, 2008.

  1. rushed

    rushed New Member

    asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

    Ager iss mazmoon se pehle mera mazmoon "Hadayat ka Raasta" parrh lia jae to ziada behter hai.

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  2. rushed

    rushed New Member

  3. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    Asa
    Behtreen Post Hay Ajj Hee Parhee Hay .
    Ajj Humaree Gumrahee Ka Sub Say Bara Sabab Yehee Taqleed Hay.aour Taqleed Bhee Andhee Taqleed.
    Main Samjhta Hoo Muqalid Hona Aour Andha Muqlid Hona Dono Alihda Alehda Batain .sawl Yeh Hay Kay Jab App Kay Pass Quran Mojod Hay Sunnat Mojood Hay Amalay Sahaba Mojod Hay To Phir Aour Fatway Ke Kiya Zarorat Hay.
    Aour Mujhay To Hairat Yeh Hotee Hay Kay , Agar Kisi Say Pocho Kay Tum Kaoun Ho To Kahay Gha "sunni,hanfi ,deobandi Ya Barailvi."aour Yeh Bilkul Lagv Baat Hay Jab App Sunni Hain To Phir Kisi Aour Shakhs Ke Zrorat Nahin ,aour Agar App Hanfi Hain To Phir App Deobandi Ya Barailvi Kaisay Ho Gaa Ay.ya To Sahaba Ke Baat Manain Ya Abu Hanifa Ke Ya Apnay Maqamee Ulema Ke , Yeh Itnay Lamday Rastoon Say Asal Hastee Tak Punchany Ke Kiya Zaroorat Hay.
    Allah Humain Seedhe Rah Dikha Aiy.
     
  4. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    Asim Bhai Aap Ne Is List Main
    Ahlehadees, Ahlehadees Ghuraba, Salafi, Rabbani, Muhammadi
    Ka Zikr Nahin Kia, Yeh Wahbiyon Ki Jama'at Ke Parts Hain Jab Huzoor Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam Ne Or Kisi Sahabi Ne Apnay Naam Ke Saath Yeh Naam Nahin Lagaya To Yeh Log Kiyun Lagatay Hain ????
    Or Aap Ne Ek Ibarat Pesh Ki Hai Ab Dekhiye Mukammal Jawab

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  5. mstanha

    mstanha New Member


    MASHALLAH, JAZAKALLAH , ZABARDAST brother.
     
  6. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Sab ke saamne hai k hamare dalel main se kissi ka jawab nahin. Allah samajhne ki tofeeq de, Aameen
     
  7. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    meray mohtaram dost agar aap ke paas koi jawab nahin hai to, aap per koi sakhti nahin hai ke lazmi hi kuch post karen jab jawab aa jae to post ker dijiye ga hum intezar ker lengay
     
  8. cyber-ghost

    cyber-ghost New Member

    shoaib bahi hamarah deen itna mushkil nhn hy jitna ap ny explain krny main bana dia hy.
    our jo ap ayaaat qoute krty hay out of context quote na kia karain.
    deen-e-islam ka best driver Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) hain lehaza humain our logoon ko follow krny ki zaroorat nhn hy.
     
  9. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    meray mohtaram dost aap ne meri post ko samjha nahin ya samjhne ki koshish hi nahin ki, simple to hai ke har mas,alay per taqleed nahin ki jati jo batain nas, se sabit hain is per imam ka qol ahmiyat nahin rakhta magar jo doosray masaail hain us men imam ki pervi kertay hain.........
    simple yeh to aap pooch rahay hain kyun ke aap khud ghair muqallid hain,

    werna itne jame jawab main to samajh jana chahiye tha khair yeh to apki ki soch per munahsir hai is duniya main aap akelay ghair muqallid nahin hain or bohot log hain......

    hum jin muamlaaat main imam ki pervi kertay hain wo saaf saaf bayan ker diya hai.......

    ab hamain is koi sarokaar nahin ke kon kitna samajhta hai, deen main koi sakhti nahin hai........

    hum har problem ka hal quraan or hadees se nahin nikal saktay, jabke quraan main har khushk-o-tar ka zikr mojood hai, magar ab tak koi yeh nahin keh sakta wo quraan ke ilm per mukammal dastaras rakhta hai, kuch frooi masaail hotay hain jin ka hal aimma nikaltay hain, is baat ko samajhne ke liye bhi thora bohot ilm hona zaroori hota hai,
     
  10. rushed

    rushed New Member

    Shoaib Mughal says: meray mohtaram dost aap ne meri post ko samjha nahin ya samjhne ki koshish hi nahin ki, simple to hai ke har mas,alay per taqleed nahin ki jati jo batain nas, se sabit hain is per imam ka qol ahmiyat nahin rakhta magar jo doosray masaail hain us men imam ki pervi kertay hain.........

    Janab Shoaib Mughal sahib, Main pehle apne mazmoon main kai aik hawala'jaat se sabit ker chukka hoon k taqleed kehte hi uss ko hain k jab aankhen band ker k bila'daleel kissi ki perwi ki jae. Lahaza aap ka yeh kehna k nas ke samne Imam ka qol nahin dekha jata mahez logon ko dhoka dena hai, Ager waqai aisa ho bhi to phir jo Quaran ya Hadees k mutabiq apne masle ko dekhta hai woh to taqleed se bahir ho jaata hai kion'k isse ittiba kehte hain taqleed nahin.

    Shoaib Mughal says: is duniya main aap akelay ghair muqallid nahin hain or bohot log hain......

    Ji bilkul sahih fermaia aap ne bal'k chothi sadi se pehle sab hi ger-muqalid hi the. Taqleed ki gumraahi to baad main peda hui.

    hum jin muamlaaat main imam ki pervi kertay hain wo saaf saaf bayan ker diya hai.......

    Iss ki daleel kia hai, woh bhi to bian karen k aik masle main ager Quran ya Hadees main koi saaf hukam nahin bhi mojood to phir bhi uss masle main Imam Abu-Hanifa ki baat hi kion li jae. Quran ne ya Hadees ne kahan aise masael main kaha hai k Imam Abu-Hanifa ki hi baat manana aur iss k muqable main kissi ki nahin.

    Shoaib Mughal says: hum har problem ka hal quraan or hadees se nahin nikal saktay, jabke quraan main har khushk-o-tar ka zikr mojood hai, magar ab tak koi yeh nahin keh sakta wo quraan ke ilm per mukammal dastaras rakhta hai,

    Ji bilkul sahih kaha aap ne k koi bhi yeh dawa nahin ker sakta k uss ne Quran ya Hdees per mukamal aboor hasil ker lia mager Kia AImam Abu-Hanifa Quran ya Hadess per mukamal aboor rakhte the jo aap unn ki taqleed ki dawet dete hain?

    kuch frooi masaail hotay hain jin ka hal aimma nikaltay hain, is baat ko samajhne ke liye bhi thora bohot ilm hona zaroori hota hai.

    Ji sahih hai lakin Hal jo nikala jae woh Quran aur Hadees k khilaaf ho to phir bhi Aema ki taraf dekhna sareeh gumraahi hai. Ager koi yeh kehta hai k main Quran aur Hadees ki mojoodgi main Quran ya Hadees ki taraf nahin dekhta to phir woh muqalid hai hi nahin kion'k taqleed main to hota hai bila'daleel Imam ki perwi. Jab woh khud taqleed nahin kerta to phir logon ko kion majboor kerta hai aik aise amal k liye jis ka saboot na to Quran main hai na Hadees main.
     
  11. Qazim07

    Qazim07 New Member

    aslamualikum...taqleed kay hawlay saay ya articles parhain...

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  12. Qazim07

    Qazim07 New Member

    aslamualikum mazeed ya parhain..

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  13. Qazim07

    Qazim07 New Member

    aslamualikum..baqiya hisa..

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  14. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    Asa
    yahan per sawal yeh nahin kay kaoun se taqleed jaiz hay aour kaoun see nahin.masala yeh hay kay ajj kay zamnay main jab quran o hadith app per wazaih hay aour app agar koshish karain to khud masaail jan saktay hain to phir is daour main tqleed kee kiya zaroorat hay. yeh to us zamnay main jaiz qarar dee ja saktee thee jab kay ilm itna aam nahin tha.aour aik khas tabqa tak mehdood tha.aour her masalay kay leeyai isi ilmi tabqay say rajoo karna parta tha.
    magar ajj quran bamaa tafaseer kay ,kutabay ahadith,tareekhe kutab aour her qisam ke fiqhee kutab inter net per mojod hain to phir kiuon ajj bhee tqleed ke zaroort hay.
    is leyai yeh sabit howa kay ajj taqleed waqaiy hee aik ghumrahee hee hay.
     
  15. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    MOHTARAM JANAB ASIM SAHAB
    AB TAK TO AAP YEHI KEHE AAE KE TAQLEED GUMRAHI, GUMRAHI, HAI
    AB YEH DOHRA MAYAR KYUN ?????????
    AAP KIA SAMAJHTAY HAIN DUNIYA KA HAR MUSALMAN
    QURAAN SAMAJH SAKTA HAI, US KI TASHREEH KER SAKTA HAI, AHADEES KE MUAMLAAT SAMAJH SAKTA HAI ???????
    AAP EK KAAM KIJIYE JAHAN AAP REHTAY AHIN WAHIN PER EK SARVAY KER LIJIYE ....

    OR KUCH MAT POOCHIYE SIRF EK DO SAWALAAT POOCH LIJIYE
    NAMAZ KE FARAIZ, SUNNATAIN, OR MUSTAHIBAAT
    GHUSL KE OR WUZU KE FARAAIZ ???
    NAMAZ-E-JANAZAH ????

    MAIN YAQEEN SE KEH SAKTA HOON AKSARIYAT YEH BHI NAHIN JAANTI HOGI KE NAMAZ MAIN QIRA'AT FARZ HAI, OR IS KO MAKHARIJ KE SAATH ADA KERNA ZAROORI HAI ......

    QAZIM BHAI BOHOT HI KHOOBSOORAT SHARING KI HAI AAP NE ALLAH APKO IS KA AJR DE
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2008
  16. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    Asa
    ajeeb baat hay kay app her baat main kowee na kowee aitraz dhond laitay hain.
    app bhee apnay erd ghird nazar dora lain .app ko taqreeban her banda ajj itna aqalmand to zaroor nazar aa aiy gha. kay woh internet use karta hay aour samjh bhee sakata hay. bahi agar duniya ke her cheez ka hum elm hasil kar saktay hain too phir deen kay ilm main yeh doosroon per inhesar kiuon.
     
  17. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    MERAY DOST KISI CHEEZ KO HASIL HA JANAY MAIN OR US KO HASIL KER SAKNAY MEN BOHOT FARQ HAI

    YEH TO MUMKINAT MAIN HAI
    AP YEH DEKHIYE 1400 SAAL KI HISTORY MAIN MUSALAMNO KI KITNI TA'DAD HAI OR IS MAIN KITNAY ESAY MUSALMAN HAIN JO DUNIYA KE TAMAM MASAAIL JO HAMAIN ISLAM SIKHATA HAI WO SAMAJH SAKTA HAI ???????

    MAIN APNAY IRD GIRD NAZAR DORA CHUKA HOON OR USI KE TEHET BAAT KER RAHA HOON.....

    ITNAY BARAY SUCH KO AAP KESE JHUTLA SAKTAY HAIN KE ZIYADA TAR MUSALMON KO YEH NAHIN PATA
    NAMAZ KE FARAIZ, SAJDAH KITNI HADIYON PER HOTA HAI, QAYAM KISE KEHTA HAIN, TASHAHUD KIA HAI, QOMA KIA HAI, SUNNATAIN, OR MUSTAHIBAAT
    GHUSL KE OR WUZU KE FARAAIZ ???
    NAMAZ-E-JANAZAH ????

    OR AAP KEHTAY HAIN KE HAR SHAKHS KHUD YEH CHEEZAIN SAMAJH RAHA HAI ?????

    MUJHE TO HAIRAT HAI AAP KIS DUNIYA MEN REHTAY HAIN ????

    MAIN AAP SE POOCHTA HOON KE AAP MUJHE QURAAN KI TAFSEER KER KE DE SAKTAY HAIN, DUNIYA KE HAR PROBLEM PER FATWA PESH KER SAKTAY HAIN ???????


    OR MERI BAAT BAAT AJEEB NAHIN HAI AAP KO AJEEB LAG RAHI HAI, JO BAAT QABL-E-AITERAZ HOGI US PER TO AETERAZ HI HOGA MAIN KESE HAN MAIN HAAN MILA SAKTA HOON.....
    JABKE AAP AP KI APNI ZAAT AP KI APNI BAAT PER POORI NAHIN UTARTI
     
  18. asim10

    asim10 New Member

    Asa
    Shaiob Bahi Masalla To Yeh Nahin Hay Kay Humaray Ird Gird Jo Loog Hain Woh Masail Jantay Hain Ya Nahin Masalla To Yeh Hay Kay Humaray Ammal Ke Bunyad Kiya Honee Chaheya.nabi Akram Saw Ke Taleem Ya Kisi Faqeeh Ya Mujhtahid Ka Fatwa.
    App Jis Awam Ke Baat Kar Rahay Hain Unhain Bhee Yeh Masail Jannay Chaheyain. Magar Un Ko Bhee Jab App Kowee Masaala Batain To Sath Main Yeh Bhee Bata Ain Kay Yeh Quran O Hadith Main Kahan Hay.
    Humarah Fuqaha Nay To Taqreeban Her Masailay Main Aik Dosray Say Ikhtilaf Hee Kiya Hay .aour Aksar Ikhtilaf To Aisay Hain Jis Main Ahadith Buhat He Wazeh Hain.magar Phir Bhee Aik Dosray Say Ikhtilaf Kiya Gaiya Hay.
    Sirf 2 Misalain Daita Hoon
    1.ahnaf Kay Nazdeek Agar Subha Ke Jammat Kharee Ho Chukee Hoo To Phir Bhee App Sunatain Zaroor Parhain.laikin Sahih Tareeen Ahdith Main Nabi Akram Saw Nay Aik Shakhs Ko Sakhtee Say Danta.jab Woh Jammat Kharee Honay Kay Bawajood Nimaz Parh Raha Tha.abb App Khud Dekh Lain Kay Ahnaf Kay Moqaf Main Aour Hadith Nabwi Saw Main Kitna Bara Ikhtilaf Hay.
    2.shawafay Kay Nazdeek Agar Hath Geela Kar Kay Baloon Ko Sirf Touch Kar Liya Jaa Aiy Too Sir Ka Mashakh Ho Jata Hay. Laikin Ahadith Is Kay Bilkul Khilaf Hain Kay Aour Nabi Akram Saw Say Poray Sir Ka Masakh Sabit Hay.
    Bahi Yeh To Buhat He Chotee See 2 Misalain Hain , Aisee Kayee Misalain Dee Saktee Hain Jis Main Fuqha Nay Sahih Tar Ahadith Kay Khilaf Fatawa Jaat Deeyai.aour Humara Dil Behlanay Kay Leyai Liya Yeh Keh Diya Jata Hay Kay Un Hoon Nay Sadqay Dil Say Aour Saaf Niyat Say Yeh Fatway Jaree Keeyai.
    Main Yeh Kehta Hoon Kay Bilkul Hee Aisa Hoo Gha Un Ke Neeyat Per Shak Karna Acha Nahin Magar Ajj Jab Kay Her Hadith O Sunnat Humray Samnay Hay To Phir Bhee Un Kay Ghalt Fatwoon Per Amal Kiuon Kar Jaaiz Howa .jab Kay Her Faqeeh Yeh Hee Kehta Raha Hay Kay Mera Fatwa Hadith Kay Khilaf Ho Too Usay Choor Doo. Pata Nahin Is Baat Per App Loog Kiuon Amal Nahin Kartay.
    Bahi Ikhtilaf Apni Jagha Kiya Hum Apas Main Baith Kar In Batoon Ko Samjh Nahin Saktay Jazakallah.
     
  19. SHOAIBMUGHAL

    SHOAIBMUGHAL New Member

    mohtram asim sahab
    aap yahan per ahadees ka hawal persh ker den to betar hoga
     

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